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Belts vs Chains/Bars for Round Bailer ?

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Bill Henry

10-19-2005 14:01:45




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I am looking at buying a round bailer for a small hobby farm.

I would appreciate some advice/preferance on the following:

NH 630 (Belt)
NH 846 (Chain/Bars)
NH 847 (Chain/Bars)

Also, what is the differance between the 846 & 847, they look the same?

Thanks in advance


Bill




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Bill Henry

10-20-2005 13:01:27




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 Re: Belts vs Chains/Bars for Round Bailer ? in reply to Bill Henry, 10-19-2005 14:01:45  

Thanks for all the Info.

I need to take a closer look at all the options and a real good look at the condition of these units.


Thanks again

Bill



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Nebraska Cowman

10-20-2005 03:15:08




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 Re: Belts vs Chains/Bars for Round Bailer ? in reply to Bill Henry, 10-19-2005 14:01:45  
I don't know. I run an 855 and it will bale cottonwood trees if you can get them in the windrow. And I have baled alfalfa that the belt guys went off and left cuz it got too dry. I bale alfalfa in the morning when it is tough and don't loose any leaves. And I have baled straw behind the combine all day long, you won't do that with most belt machines. No, the 855 is one of the best balers ever built but you can't buy a new one anymore.

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Jeff oliver

10-20-2005 17:18:59




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 Re: Belts vs Chains/Bars for Round Bailer ? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 10-20-2005 03:15:08  
We have a JD 566 belt baler and I haven't found anything it won't bale yet. Had a NH chain baler that did a great job but the belt baler will make tighter rolls or at least it does for us. Whole lot quieter also.



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Allan in NE

10-20-2005 04:00:42




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 Re: Belts vs Chains/Bars for Round Bailer ? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 10-20-2005 03:15:08  
Mornin' Cowman,

My neighbor has an 855 and it is identical to my 849 in every way except for the tensioner system and everything is built about 30% heavier on his machine.

I've never understood NH's numbering system either. For instance, the later numbered 850 and 851 are still the old style 'floor chain' type. Go figure.

Just a guess, but 'spose NH quit the chainers because they weren't selling any parts? :>)

Allan

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paul

10-19-2005 22:32:55




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 Re: Belts vs Chains/Bars for Round Bailer ? in reply to Bill Henry, 10-19-2005 14:01:45  
A chain baler will bale anything, cornstalks, wet, dry.... But it won't make as good a bale, if you are storing outside, they 'age' a lot faster when they are looser.

A belt baler is the only thing for alfalfa - the chain bars beat all the leaves off & all you have is stems.

I'd go for the 630 myself, modern belt baler is the way to go, but if you were looking at an older belt baler, I would consider _what_ I was trying to bale, as older belt balers can be very 'fussy', while a chain baler will eat anything.

--->Paul

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kyhayman

10-19-2005 18:12:07




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 Re: Belts vs Chains/Bars for Round Bailer ? in reply to Bill Henry, 10-19-2005 14:01:45  
Apples and oranges here. The 630 is a newer baler by at least half a decade than the 846/847. I've had both, like them both for what they were. Wore out them both out, completely (3 floors welded in the 847). Great machines, for their time, would bale anything, wet or dry, almost never plugged up. Replace the chains when I started having problems with them (figure $1000 and 4 days). Biggest drawbacks, loose, sloppy bales. Even in first gear with PTO at full 540 they squated like a puppy in about a week. 851 was worse, by fall, when I ran it along with a 640 (heavier built version of the 630) the 5.5x5.5s looked like the two year old bales out of the 640. Other folks are right, belts cost too, a full set in my NH 650 this past spring was $1200. Best part after the tighter bales is the ease of repair, break a chain and you have an all day job, with come-a-longs, and tree limbs. Belts, I can do an in field replacement in less than 10 minutes.

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farmallbee

10-19-2005 16:38:29




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 Re: Belts vs Chains/Bars for Round Bailer ? in reply to Bill Henry, 10-19-2005 14:01:45  
I currently own a nh 630-makes good tight 4*4 bales-mine is electric tie-the only thing is that you must start yor bales slow-then it will take it as fast as you can feed it in-I owned a nh 845 I would not recommend a chain baler



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old

10-19-2005 15:46:53




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 Re: Belts vs Chains/Bars for Round Bailer ? in reply to Bill Henry, 10-19-2005 14:01:45  
I use an 850 NH baler, chain type and would never own another belt baler. The belt baler I did have was one of the AC roto balers and it was trouble from the get go. I love my 850 only trouble I have ever had was it packs it in to tight at times and then when you need to spike it you push it instead of the spike going in.



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BobMo

10-19-2005 16:44:47




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 Re: Belts vs Chains/Bars for Round Bailer ? in reply to old, 10-19-2005 15:46:53  
Old, I don't see how you can compare an A-C roto baler with any other baler and make a decision based on that comparison.



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old

10-19-2005 17:27:29




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 Re: Belts vs Chains/Bars for Round Bailer ? in reply to BobMo, 10-19-2005 16:44:47  
I,ve also been around when others are baling and talked to them about there balers. And as far as my money goes I'll stick with my 850 chain baler, I'm very happy with it



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KEH

10-19-2005 15:30:41




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 Re: Belts vs Chains/Bars for Round Bailer ? in reply to Bill Henry, 10-19-2005 14:01:45  
Bill, I had a 847. The 846 is an earlier model, I don't think there is much differance between the two. I would not get a chain baler, and not an 847. It does not pack the hay as tight as newer belt bales and is harder to pull than a belt baler. The chains are expensive to replace. Of course, if you had to replace all the belts on a belt baler they would be expensive, but usually belts can be spliced or replaced one at a time. Don't know anything about the NH 630.

KEH

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old

10-19-2005 15:48:15




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 Re: Belts vs Chains/Bars for Round Bailer ? in reply to KEH, 10-19-2005 15:30:41  
If your bales are loose slow down or drop to a lower gear. The book for my 850 says for tighter bale go slower and for looser go faster.



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pcy1066

10-20-2005 06:00:49




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 Re: Belts vs Chains/Bars for Round Bailer ? in reply to old, 10-19-2005 15:48:15  
my 850 bales were to soft so long story short we sped the bailor up, put it on the 1000 shaft , put chain oilers on, made good tight bales, like a dummy i traded it in on a br series, the 850 would bale anything the br leeves a lot to b desired exp if you are in a hurry



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Luke S

10-20-2005 07:00:55




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 Re: Belts vs Chains/Bars for Round Bailer ? in reply to pcy1066, 10-20-2005 06:00:49  
I have a Hesston 5500 belt machine, it is an oldie, but a goody. It is easy to run and makes nice 5x5 1100lb bale. I have some neighbors that have chain balers and their bale's look pretty rough compared to mine. I only gave $2200 for it and have run it two season's without so much as a hiccup.



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