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Kirk Grau

11-01-2005 09:35:32




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OK, here goes.

Bought a Ford 3600 Diesel w/ FEL this spring. Been fueling it with heating oil and I really like this tractor for what we need to use it for. My question is how cold blooded is this thing going to be? I came real close to running it out of fuel a few days ago, but it was still running when I got it parked and shut it down. Came back yesterday and fueled her up and could not get it to start. Thinking I might have air in the fuel system, I bled the fuel filter and pump and saw no indication of air so I went to start it up and she was running on about the third spin. Now I am thinking that we had frost warnings the last few nights here in South Central Pennsylvania and maybe it was just too cold to get the diesel running without some assistance. On a related note, gas is reformulated depending on what the season is. Do they do the same thing with diesel? If so, should I be going to the diesel pump to get fuel to take advantage of this.

Yet another question, When I bought this I "KNOW" it had a plug for a heater of some sort installed. I even commented to the guy I bought it from that I was kind of staying away from the diesel just because of winter starting concerns. Now I can"t find this plug to save my life (or any indication that it ever existed.) Could I have pulled the plug out mowing/loading/etc.?

Anyway, thanks for the help.

Kirk

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RodinNS

11-01-2005 14:01:03




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 Re: Help a Diesel Newbie in reply to Kirk Grau, 11-01-2005 09:35:32  
Look in over top of the starter and you should see the block heater, if it's installed. It's possible that the cord has simply fallen off. It wouldn't be the first time. Also, as Jerry has said, your tractor will have thermostart. Do not use ether if this is in working order. If you must use ether, pull the wire off the thermostart unit. As far as the starting problem goes, if the engine sputtered when you thought it ran out of fuel, it probably sucked a small air bubble in. It could sit in the filter housing, and when you went to restart the system was air locked. I have, upon occasion got away with bleeding the filter and pump housing to start the tractor, and not bleed the injectors..... . So it probably was air. Overall, your tractor, given that the starting system is in good working order, and the engine is healthy, should start relatively easily. I've started them down to -25 C without a block heater..... just thermostart, although the block heater is a definite benefit. HTH.

Rod

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Kirk Grau

11-01-2005 14:56:56




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 Re: Help a Diesel Newbie in reply to RodinNS, 11-01-2005 14:01:03  
Was the thermostart standard equipment for these Fords? My key switch does not operate as described in the manual for thermostart (turn left for thermostart and right for regular start.) As a result, I don't think I have thermostart, but am going to be looking for evidence over the weekend. Also need to find the heater and either buy or farmerize a cord for it.

Thanks. And pardon my ignorance, but is No. 1 diesel the same as kerosene?

Kirk

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RodinNS

11-01-2005 17:50:34




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 Re: Help a Diesel Newbie in reply to Kirk Grau, 11-01-2005 14:56:56  
I'm no expert on fuels by any means, but as far as I'm aware, No 1. diesel is the same as stove oil. Furnace oil is a bit heavier than #2. Kero is lighter and drier than #1. The local suppliers in my area have taken to selling "furnace light" rather than #1 stove oil or #1 diesel. Furnace light is a mixture of #2 and kero. Around here, they simply mixed a bit of #1 with the #2 for winter use. I'm not sure what the policy is at present. probably just blending some Kero with the #2 for winter diesel.....
I would suggest that you use a good diesel fuel conditioner regardless of what fuel you employ.

Back to the tractor.... The thermostart unit is located in the front of the intake manifold. If you swing the battery tray out, look down at the manifold on the inside, and you should see a fuel line and a wire going to the unit. It's simply screwed into the manifold. It should be standard equipment on your 3600. It is activated by turning the key past the "run" position, and holding the key there for 30 seconds to a minute. Just watch the instrument cluster lights when the key is in the "run" or "on" position. As you turn the key past to activate the thermostart, the lights will go off. The thermostart is now on. After you've waited for the minute, turn the key to crank the engine. The thermostart will remain active while the engine is cranking. This is a long winded way of explaining it.....

The cord for the block heater is readily available from a NH dealer, and not all that expensive. The 3 prong plug is not something easily... fabricated.... and not worth risking electrocution. HTH.

Rod

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buickanddeere

11-02-2005 08:44:04




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 Re: Help a Diesel Newbie in reply to RodinNS, 11-01-2005 17:50:34  
Around here furnace oil and off road diesel is identical. Depending on the time of year it's either #2 or #1. #1 diesel can be anything from de-waxed #2 diesel to mostly kerosene depending location( state) and the temp.



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Jerry/MT

11-01-2005 12:25:05




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 Re: Help a Diesel Newbie in reply to Kirk Grau, 11-01-2005 09:35:32  
You may have a Thermostart unit since this is a Ford tractor. It will be located on the intake manifold and will have an electrical wire running to it as well as a fuel line. When you start in cold weather, you're supposed to hold the key at the position just before the starter engages for about a minute. This puts current to the Thermostart unit which gets hot and a little fuel dribbles on it so you get a warmed, fuel rich mixture in the intake manifold.(It may even ignite the fuel,I'm not sure.) (NEVER USE ETHER AS A STARTING AID WITH THIS SYSTEM!) To make life easy with winter starting, make sure that you have good battery and that it is fully charged. Put some additives in your fuel to prevent jelling if you have really cold temps or use #1 diesel. If you have a block heater, plug it in for a few hours before trying to start. If you can keep the machine in a warm place, that's even better.

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cdmn

11-01-2005 10:00:51




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 Re: Help a Diesel Newbie in reply to Kirk Grau, 11-01-2005 09:35:32  
If it had a block heater, it might have been installed in a frostplug hole. The cord may have just pulled off.



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Nebraska Cowman

11-01-2005 09:50:49




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 Re: Help a Diesel Newbie in reply to Kirk Grau, 11-01-2005 09:35:32  
You can get away with straight #2 diesel down to about 10 degrees, below that you will need to blend in some #1 to keep it from jelling. As far as starting most diesels will require some kind of help anytime temps get close to freezing. Either an engine block heater or sparing use of ether.



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