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Aluminium Foil and Vapor Lock

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Tham

12-09-2005 20:28:58




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Hi, I'm Tham from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

I own a very old 1981 Toyota Corolla KE70
saloon, with a 1,290 cc 4K engine. If my email
seems out of place here, I'd like to apologize
to the forum moderators and other users here.

I had been having lots of problems with the engine sputtering and almost dying out in hot
weather, so someone said it might be vapor lock.

Searching around the net for solutions, I found
the following article on your website here :

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At the bottom of the above article, the author, Curtis,
mentioned wrapping the fuel line in aluminium foil.
I was wondering, would this mean that the shiny side should be facing inwards or outwards ?

I have just wrapped my fuel lines from and to the
fuel pump as suggested, and am afraid I might have the shiny side facing wrongly. What might happen if I did ?

Thank you very much for any assistance.

Best Regards,

Tham

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Fishfiles Don

12-18-2005 04:59:06




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 Re: Aluminium Foil and Vapor Lock in reply to Tham, 12-09-2005 20:28:58  
wooden cloth pins clamped onto the fuel line is and old way to disapate heat from the tubing



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RayP(MI)

12-10-2005 17:38:02




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 Re: Aluminium Foil and Vapor Lock in reply to Tham, 12-09-2005 20:28:58  
According to what I have read from the foil manufacturers, the reflectivity of either side is just about the same. The shiny and dull sides come about because of the manufacturing process.



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Tham

12-10-2005 22:51:39




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 Re: Aluminium Foil and Vapor Lock in reply to RayP(MI), 12-10-2005 17:38:02  
Thanks for the info, Ray.

The mechanic who helped me to wrap it earlier, had
wrapped additional black electrical insulation tape over the foil, covering the entire rubber fuel line,
to keep it in place. I"m wondering if this should
taken out, since this tape might well keep the heat
in rather than out.



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doogdoog

12-11-2005 12:26:33




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 Re: Aluminium Foil and Vapor Lock in reply to Tham, 12-10-2005 22:51:39  
Aloha Tham, If you look at radiator in a car, the color is black. The reason (theory) for this is to let the heat from the inside to radiate out. Now, if the heat is on the outside, like a sun shinning on black, the heat will be absorbed. So, in your situation, the black tape will absorb the engine heat (not what you want) and not reflect it.

Mahalo,
doogdoog



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Tham

12-11-2005 18:08:29




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 Thanks in reply to doogdoog, 12-11-2005 12:26:33  
Thank you again, Doogdoog.

I'll take out the tape immediately.



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doogdoog

12-10-2005 11:23:43




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 Re: Aluminium Foil and Vapor Lock in reply to Tham, 12-09-2005 20:28:58  
Aloha, I had a problem like that once and I disconnected my mechanical fuel pump and installed an electric one. I also covered the fuel lines with pipe insulation or you could get some of the regular insulation that the hot rodders use. Don't know if you can get these thing over there but since you are on line, you could order some online.

Mahalo,
doogdoog



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Tham

12-10-2005 22:53:31




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 Re: Aluminium Foil and Vapor Lock in reply to doogdoog, 12-10-2005 11:23:43  
Thanks, Doogdoog.

I will check out the insulation tape.



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the tractor vet

12-10-2005 08:41:45




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 Re: Aluminium Foil and Vapor Lock in reply to Tham, 12-09-2005 20:28:58  
First off gas starts to boil at around a 120 degrees and with low flow it is getting hot in the line and yes you can wrap it with foil or put clothes pins on it and you can wrap it with insulation and foil and also now this is going to get real tech. You can put a Tee just before the carb with a real small pin hole on the one side of the tee i have always used a # 60 drill , what i do is fill the one side of the fitting with soider and drill a hole in the soider then run a small fuel line back into the fuel line away from the engine so the fuel can cool and get ride of the bubbels this allows the gas to flow and cool off .

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Tham

12-10-2005 08:17:22




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 Thank You, All in reply to Tham, 12-09-2005 20:28:58  
Thank you very much, Greg, Kykhayman, Burnie
and Rgx Tv, for your info and help.

I had wrapped the fuel lines with the shiny side in, so I will take the foil out and rewrap new ones with
the shiny side out.

Greg, the fuel filter was changed a couple of months
ago, and the fuel pump just over a year ago. They may
well have sold me a poor quality pump though, lots of
Taiwanese parts being passed off as Japanese ones
in Malaysia. I"ll have to check it out again and maybe
try replacing it. I"m thinking of modifying to an electric
fuel pump.

The ignition system has been checked out thoroughly
- the contact points, condenser, plugs and plug wires
replaced. I"m using a points-triggered electronic ignition
unit made from a kit, the Motorola IC similar to the one
used in the older GM high energy ignition systems, and
it appears to be working fine. The ignition coil has been
replaced too.

Initially the distributor"s vacuum advance was a source
of the sputtering and stalling, but that has since been
rectified. What happened was that the original vacuum pump had given way, and the only replacements here were generic "Century" brand units from Japan (or so
the label said). This advance unit has a plastic adjuster
screwed in at the end for fine timing adjustments, but it
was not heat durable (unlike the stock unit) and virtually
disintegrated after just a few months, and the ignition
timing nosedived when it did. So I managed to fashion
a copper adjuster and screwed it in, and the timing
is holding out well so far.

The fuels in Malaysia are 97 octane "premium" and
92 octane "regular". Both are unleaded, and contain
benzene (a carcinogen actually). I am using 97 octane.
Might switching to 92 octane help with the vapor lock ?

The carburetor is very basic really, the only hose coming out goes to the vacuum advance. There are no
emission controls requirements in Malaysia, at least
for engines built in the 80s.

RGX TV, er, how does one use clothes pins for
vapor locking ?

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RGV TX

12-10-2005 08:41:52




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 Re: Thank You, All in reply to Tham, 12-10-2005 08:17:22  
Clip them on the fuel line, helps dissipate the heat from the fuel line prior to the fuel reaching the carb.



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Tham

12-10-2005 08:58:39




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 Re: Thank You, All in reply to RGV TX, 12-10-2005 08:41:52  
Thanks, RGX TV.

Does one clip them onto the metal fuel line
leading into the carburetor or the rubber hose ?



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RGV TX

12-10-2005 09:36:16




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 Re: Thank You, All in reply to Tham, 12-10-2005 08:58:39  
Metal fuel line.



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Tham

12-10-2005 09:57:05




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 Re: Thank You, All in reply to RGV TX, 12-10-2005 09:36:16  
Thanks, RGX.

I will go buy some clothes pins and
try it out soon as I can.



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RGV TX

12-10-2005 05:31:50




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 Re: Aluminium Foil and Vapor Lock in reply to Tham, 12-09-2005 20:28:58  
No no no no no, there seems to be some confusion here. Aluminum foil is for your TV antenna, clothes pins are used for vapor locking.



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Burnie

12-10-2005 03:02:47




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 Re: Aluminium Foil and Vapor Lock in reply to Tham, 12-09-2005 20:28:58  
Tham,
As the other people have said, put the shiny side out. If you have the foil the other way around, it will not work as well, but nothing bad will happen. Good luck.



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kyhayman

12-09-2005 21:09:02




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 Re: Aluminium Foil and Vapor Lock in reply to Tham, 12-09-2005 20:28:58  
Shiney side out to reflect the heat.

My dad had an old Diamond Rio truck, every time, going up a a real long steep hill in hot weather it would vapor lock. He'd take a bucket of clay mud and water and pack around the fuel lines



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GregCo

12-09-2005 20:44:43




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 Re: Aluminium Foil and Vapor Lock in reply to Tham, 12-09-2005 20:28:58  
Hi Tham, The aluminum foil will work as an insulator to help keep heat off of the fuel lines. It works sometimes.

What I would do first is to change the fuel filter and check fuel pressure to make sure your fuel pump is working properly. A dirty filter or weak pump will cause low fuel pressure and let the fuel boil very easy and the car will stall out.

Not being familiar with your car and how it was built for use in your country and the type of fuel available in your area, that is where I would start. Best of luck. Let us know how you come out.

Greg

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ricedaddy

12-10-2005 08:51:16




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 Re: Aluminium Foil and Vapor Lock in reply to GregCo, 12-09-2005 20:44:43  
greeting Tham,
I know this will cause a uproar, and I did read the post from Yesterdays tractor! I'm sorry but all this stuff, (foil, mud,clothe's pins etc) all all wives tales! The only real way to correct the problem(vapor locking) is to mount a electric fuel pump(as close to the fuel tank as possible) and you problem(vapor locking) will be over for good
Good luck
Ron
P.S. and anyone who wants to argue my address is rlp2690@aol.com

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Richard Scott

12-10-2005 16:21:05




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 Re: Aluminium Foil and Vapor Lock in reply to ricedaddy, 12-10-2005 08:51:16  
Whether you need an electric fuel pump or not depends on how severe the problem is. My old '66 Nova vapor locked fairly regularly until I put 3 or 4 clothes pin on the fuel line where it passed in front of the engine. Never vapor locked again, even in So. California summers.

Start with the cheap & simple things first.

Also try different gas brands. They may be formulated with different vapor pressures.

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