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Rich Iowa

01-13-2006 18:19:24




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I"m a truck guy, but I think I found a car I could possibly be interested in. Volkswagon is making the Jetta sedan with a 1.9L diesel, MSRP is around $23,000. I knew they made the Jetta diesel long ago, didn"t think they"d be making it again/still. Suppose to get at least 36mpg if not 40+, wish my truck got that. Did anyone have one of the old Jettas w/ the diesel, how"d ya like it? How bout the Ford Ranger and Chevy S10 with the little diesels, anyone have one of those?

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Ryan - WI

01-14-2006 15:53:04




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 Re: Volkswagon diesel in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-13-2006 18:19:24  
My wife and I have a '00 Beetle TDI which sports a similar 1.9L engine as the Jetta.

If you do get one, I would suggest one which is at least a few years old. VW did some changes to the TDI in the past few years and the mileage dropped in them as well as requiring a special 505.01 VW spec oil which is a PITA to find.

The EGR problem can be solved no problem as VW's have a very very nice computer control system that can be logged into and values changed which essentially shuts off the EGR. The tool used to log in is called a VAG-COM.

The 1.9 is an awesome engine with great economy (we average around 50mpg) and I strongly recommend one, but if you an find a nice one that is a few years old. Also get the manual tranny as VW also makes a heck of a tranny. We fully expect at least 300,000 out of our car without any major breakages.

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T_Bone

01-14-2006 09:18:44




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 Re: Volkswagon diesel in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-13-2006 18:19:24  
Hi Rich,

You might want to go read the VW tDI forums as there's alot of good info there. I read it alot as these guys are more concerened about fuel mileage than any other website that I've found.

From whats been said over the past couple years the diesel fuel mileage has dropped about 10mpg from where it was.

There is a guy that talks there that holds the NE ralley fuel mileage contest with a 2001 VW TDI at 88mpg. No special mods on the engine as that's not allowed but it's his driving style and rock hard tires(60psi) that wins.

There's several gassers that get in the mid to high 30mpg range for alot less money than the VW TDI. I bought a small gasser Chevy that gets 35mpg easy so it was hard for me to choose a gasser vs a diesel as I really like diesels but I'm not a fool.

T_Bone

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T6Dave

01-13-2006 19:05:58




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 Re: Volkswagon diesel in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-13-2006 18:19:24  
I owned a 2001 VW Jetta 1.9TDI that I bought brand new. The car drove very nice but the quality just wasn't there and the money saved in fuel with the diesel was eaten up by the scheduled maintenance of the VW.

There are a couple of engineering tidbits about the VW that are a pain as well. It has a EGV valve(Exhaust Gas Recirculation) that recirculates diesel exhaust into the intake manifold. They do this to help meet EPA restrictions but it causes heck with the intake. Eventually it gets so sooted up that you (or the dealer) have to take the intake off and physically clean it out. I had to have mine done at 63,000 miles but I have heard of this having to be done in the low 20's.

On my Jetta I had a little rust bubbling up through the paint on the drivers door after only 3 years. There must have been the tiniest little nick in the paint that was hard for me to see.

They also want you to change the brake fluid every 24 months! Add the timing belt/water pump replacement every 60,000 to 80,000 depending on what model you have and all of a sudden you are spending more on maintenace than you saved on gas mileage.

My father in law has a Camry that is cheaper, larger, higher quality, gets gas mileage with the 4 cylinder in the low to mid 30's an fuel that is 25 to 50 cents per gallon less. And the Camry is built in the U.S. by U.S. workers while the VW is built in Mexico.

I found the dealers after I bought the car to not be helpful at all. There is a reason that VW sales have crashed as hard as they have. VW has a long way to go.

I sold my VW in disgust. I had really wanted to own the car and had longed for one before I bought one but was terribly unhappy with it after a few years.

Dave

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jdemaris

01-14-2006 08:35:31




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 Re: Volkswagon diesel in reply to T6Dave, 01-13-2006 19:05:58  
Maybe the new VWs have gotten worse? I know the repair history is awful for all the German cars including Mercedes, Porsche and Audi.
On my older VWs, the timing belt replacement intervals is not different than for any other car with an overhead cam - and if anything, one of the easiest to change. I did mine in an hour. It got its first belt-change at 120,000 miles and still looked like new - but once in there I changed it anyway. I found that doing a change on a Toyota or Subaru was more difficult. On rust resistance - the older VWs have been amazingly good. I live in the extreme rust belt and there is more calcium chorlide used every year - even in the summer on dirt roads. It is rare to see any vehicle that is over 10 years old without rust holes clear through - and usually worse. Also, by that time the fuel tanks have been changed as least once along with the brake lines. My daughter has a 99 Toyota Corolla and it has many rust holes and is burning oil at 80K miles which is unusual for a Toyota (I think). My father-in-law had to bring his 2002 Ford in for a recall and they said the shocks had to be cut off because they were so rusted in.
My pair of 91 Jettas came from a guy that drove one in summer and the other in winter. The winter-Jetta is my beater but it hardly has any rust at all - only a little surface rust and no rust-through. And, the fuel tank is some sort of plastic which is a blessing. The brake lines are original and not rusted - and according to the owner the brake fluid has never been changed - not by him and not by me. I can't figure why it is not a rust-bucket - but it is amazing.
As, with the EGR valve on the older diesels - as Mr.Buick/Deere stated, it serves no useful purpose in regard to performance or fuel mileage, it easily bypassed, and has no effect on computer codes that might lead to a failed inspection. My G.M. trucks came with it - or without it - it was optional. The 6.2 diesel with it was called "light duty", and the 6.2 diesel without it was called "heavy duty." The Amish farmers nearby to me use the little Volkswagen diesel engines on all kinds of horse-drawn equipment and love the engines. Nice thing also is they run them on cheap heating oil - much cheaper than gasoline at the pump. Last load I bought was $1.80 per gallon. As I understand, that will NOT work with the new VW diesels.

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buickanddeere

01-14-2006 06:54:03




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 Re: Volkswagon diesel in reply to T6Dave, 01-13-2006 19:05:58  
Just plug the egr on a diesel. Plugging the egr on a gas engine equiped with obdII will bring in the check engine light.



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jdemaris

01-13-2006 18:45:20




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 Re: Volkswagon diesel in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-13-2006 18:19:24  
I had the Ranger diesel. Also had a full-size 1/2 ton Dodge diesel pickup way before they ever made one with a Cummins. Mine was a 77 or 78 and had a Mitsubishi diesel - Dodge only made it one year. I also had a International Scout diesel with a Nissan engine. To answer your question about the Jettas, I've got two 1991s. Also have a 81 Chevette with 40K original miles on it with the Isuzu diesel. Also a bunch of G.M 6.2 diesel trucks and a Ford 6.9. The Jettas are crude little cars, but built very rugged. One is my wife's summer car. We can't get to our farm in the winter without a 4WD, so the Jettas only get used in the summer. My wife travels a back dirt road that goes over a mountain, 24 miles each way. With that kind of driving she averages 38 MPG which is amazing. We've gotten a best of 51 MPG on the highway. It has a manual timing advance that operates like a choke. You just pull it out for cold starting, and push it back in when warmed up. I've been very impressed with parts from dealer. Priced reasonable and still available. I realize that most parts for any vehicle you can get aftermarket - but some I want OEM. The exhaust system needed replacing last summer. I knew if I bought Walker or NAPA crap - it would rot off in a year. So, I tried Volkswagen. It was still available, cost $160, appeared to be very heavy and perhaps had stainless in it, and it is lifetime warrantied from Volkswagen. And I believe it is warrantied because they expect it to last, not because they figure they'll never see me again. That's pretty good for a 15 year-old car. I tried to get factory pipes recently for my 91 diesel Suburban and they are no longer available from G.M. So, there is some contrast for you. The OEM pipes from G.M, are double-wall and twice as heavy, and last three times as long as the junk NAPA sells - but it is no longer available. I recently put a head gasket on my wife's Jetta and was amazed at the cylinder walls in the engine. It has 225,000 miles on it and they look like new. I also checked all the injectors and they checked out perfectly - I was expecting them to be worn out. Shortly after, I guy with a repair shop downtown was fixing up another 91 Jetta with 400K miles on it. He was also putting in a head-gasket and that engine looked almost new inside also. It's hard to figure. I suspect the new Jettas ride a lot nicer and act less like diesels - which I'm not sure is good. I know they are much more complicated, direct-injected, turboed, and use some sort of "exhaust scrubber" emission system that removes soot from the exhaust. I was reading that the system gets ruined if off-road fuel with high-sulfur gets run through it.

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Larry806

01-13-2006 18:45:04




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 Re: Volkswagon diesel in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-13-2006 18:19:24  
My son has one. He gets around 48 mpg. His has over 450,000 miles. Doesn't use any oil. Getting a little hard to start in cold wheather if not plugged in



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I was Remus

01-13-2006 18:35:18




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 Re: Volkswagon diesel in reply to Rich Iowa, 01-13-2006 18:19:24  
I have a 1999 Jetta with a 1.9 turbo diesel, the best that I have gotten is 52.9 mpg. It averages 48 mpg to and from work. I like the car, I wish that is was just a little higher off the ground to make it easier getting in and out. The car now has approx. 74000 miles, I have been told the motor is good for a least 800,000 miles, if taken care of.

Larry



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Luke S

01-14-2006 06:19:38




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 Re: Volkswagon diesel in reply to I was Remus, 01-13-2006 18:35:18  
I bought my wife a Jeep Liberty CRD. It has a 2.8L turbo diesel that is really peppy, better than a gas model. Have gotten as high as 30 mpg, as low as 22.



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BrokenFences

01-15-2006 13:25:16




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 Re: Volkswagon diesel in reply to Luke S, 01-14-2006 06:19:38  
Mine has 159,000 miles in the '99 1.9L turbo diesel, my complaints have nothing to do with reliability, it just runs. But, with a car seat in the rear, my knees are in the dash (I'm only 5'8"), and it sits too low for our lane. Goes in snow, but won't stop or turn either. From Penna to Florida, and back on 3.5 tanks, average 46 mpg at 80 mph.



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