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Electric Turbo Vs. blow dryer?

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4020pullin'up

03-25-2006 18:54:41




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I was recently thinking about how the turbo works for gas engines. It forces air into the carburator, correct? Cold air+More fuel=More power, right? So, how much air really comes out of this turbo/blower? Is there really a great amount? When a tractor has the intake hose coming into the carb., how much pressure is really being inserted through the venturi of the carb? I was thinking that with the hot air module removed from a hair blow dryer, then put directly infront of the intake of the carb, it would act as if it is a turbo, right? I'm just a cheap farmer! Don't you guys think this would maybe work? Thanks

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cdmn

03-26-2006 21:39:02




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 Re: Electric Turbo Vs. blow dryer? in reply to 4020pullin'up, 03-25-2006 18:54:41  
I bought a used 47 Crosley and it had a hairdryer mounted. It's a 48 cu in engine, so every little bit might help.



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Russ from MN

03-26-2006 07:13:01




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 Re: Electric Turbo Vs. blow dryer? in reply to 4020pullin'up, 03-25-2006 18:54:41  
Like others have said, you can"t put much pressure into a carburetor, it needs some vacuum to work properly. Most all turbo engines are fuel injected, but I have seen pictures of two cylinder JD"s with the carburetor in a box that is pressurized, then you need a fuel pump to get the gas into the carburetor! I understand that turbo"s can turn as fast as 180,000 RPM! WE once owned a Ford Thunderbird turbo coupe that had basically a fuel injected Pinto engine with a turbo.(with intercooler) It was rated at about 200 hp at about 15 psi, as I remember.

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MarkB_MI

03-26-2006 03:17:57




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 Re: Electric Turbo Vs. blow dryer? in reply to 4020pullin'up, 03-25-2006 18:54:41  
How big of an engine are you thinking? You're trying to increase the manifold air pressure, but you also need to supply sufficient volume to keep up with the demands of the engine. And a big engine needs a lot of air. The power required by a supercharger is a function of pressure times volume; a fractional horsepower motor isn't going to hack it for an engine of any size.

Another problem is that electric motors are basically constant speed devices; at some point the blower motor will become a generator and siphon off power from the intake air flow.

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the tractor vet

03-25-2006 22:09:51




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 Re: Electric Turbo Vs. blow dryer? in reply to 4020pullin'up, 03-25-2006 18:54:41  
Back many moons ago a buddy and i did put a to 4 on a built oliver 6 cyl. gas but we used a holey 850 4bbl and had it installed before the turbo so we could affect the flow of air and fuel if you put the turbo pushen thru the carb it don't work as the boost will force thru the throttel plate and then you have no control over the engine . We yea it did make power and a bunch of it and we were only running 12 lbs. of booste at full throttel and that was way to much the firt thing that let go was it lifted the head as it stretched the head bolt well put in bigger heavier head bolts ok that works next it stretched the main bolts , fixed that with a girdel well something had to give and it made us a new 4 pice crank and a smaller check book back to plan B go back to just a built 6 and forget the fancy stuff more fun just loading up go to pull make a couple hooks load up go home put it away till the next one and just sit anround and do some BENCH PULLEN. lot cheaper.

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Jon Hagen

03-25-2006 21:10:08




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 Re: Electric Turbo Vs. blow dryer? in reply to 4020pullin'up, 03-25-2006 18:54:41  
Like the others say,too little boost to be of any value. Many turbocharged diesel engines normally run 20-30 psi of manifold boost pressure.
There is an aftermarket 12V electric motor driven supercharger avalible for short bursts of power. It works,but draws a terrific amount of power from the battery and needs to be used sparingly.
I remember seeing a 1958 Chevrolet engineering supercharging experment that produced as much power from a 235 CI 6 cyl engine as you would normally get from the 283 V8. They had an air compressor on the engine that filled a fairly large air tank mounted in the trunk. When you needed a burst of extra power for passing,hill climbing etc,a jet of compressed air from the trunk mounted tank was blown into a venturi in the air cleaner intake.This worked as a venturi pump to drag extra air past the venturi and supplied several psi of boost pressure to the carb. The effectivness of the thing was limited by the capacity of the air tank,which would be drained in about 30 seconds. It took a while for the little compressor to refill the tank,so the supercharger had to be used sparingly. The setup never saw production,altho the little compressor did see use in the cars with air suspension.

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doogdoog

03-25-2006 20:43:53




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 Re: Electric Turbo Vs. blow dryer? in reply to 4020pullin'up, 03-25-2006 18:54:41  
Aloha, I saw a short video clip of some guys using a gas yard blower on their engine. It was very interesting and it did put out a good amount of hp.

Mahalo,
doogdoog



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Jerry/MT

03-25-2006 19:47:47




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 Re: Electric Turbo Vs. blow dryer? in reply to 4020pullin'up, 03-25-2006 18:54:41  
A blow dryer put out pressure measured in a few inches of water(14.7 psi being about 32 feet of water!). Yeah it'd work but the power to run the blow dryer would probably be more than the increase in horsepower of the engine! A real supercharger puts out pressures above about 5 psi.



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Davis In SC

03-25-2006 19:21:17




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 Re: Electric Turbo Vs. blow dryer? in reply to 4020pullin'up, 03-25-2006 18:54:41  
I have wondered about that too... But I figured I would run out of drop cord. :^)



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Randyr

03-25-2006 19:18:47




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 Re: Electric Turbo Vs. blow dryer? in reply to 4020pullin'up, 03-25-2006 18:54:41  
No, won't work. Turbos and superchargers need to run faster as the engine speeds up to keep the pressure up and then need a regulator to keep the pressure below a high limit so the engine won't self destruct.
A hair drier wouldn't blow enough air, and it's too constant to allow for engine demands, too much at low speeds and loads, too little at high speed and loads. Do a Google search for "dirt cheap supercharger" for info on using an air pump from a big block chevy. I've never done it, but it sounds interesting.

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Andrew Betzner

03-25-2006 19:16:59




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 Re: Electric Turbo Vs. blow dryer? in reply to 4020pullin'up, 03-25-2006 18:54:41  
I was thinking about trying that out on a lawm mower, but with a computer fan unstead.....



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jdemaris

03-25-2006 19:15:53




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 Re: Electric Turbo Vs. blow dryer? in reply to 4020pullin'up, 03-25-2006 18:54:41  
Your blow-dryer would be woring more like a supercharger, not turbocharger - but it's too small to be useful. It's not "Cold air+More fuel=More power". An intercooler, if used, cools air so it's more dense and ergo, more will fit into the same area and raise compression.
A turbo forces more air into a given space by pressure instead of cooling it, and this, in turn, raises the compression ratio. That's why they used to be called "altitude compensators." They were often used in high elevations where air is thin, which lowers compression, to compensate and get the horsepower back to normal. Now-adays, they are more often used to exceed the normal spectrum. Either way, for a good horsepower increase, the fuel delivery needs to be turned up as well - well - turned up in a diesel, or with a carburetor - rejetted, larger venturis, etc. Also, a turbo-charger is twin-turbine - one side being driven by exhaust gas, and the other charging the air intake. They are not equal sized - but are sized such that the exhaust driven turbine is of less volume than the turbine charging the intake - so the charge air always exceeds the exhaust flow. As RPM increases, the difference becomes greater and boost pressure rises - to a point where no more is wanted and it is relieved though a safety valve, aka "waste-gate." I am not an expert, perhaps someone else can explain it a little better. Rest assured, a blow-dryer will not provide enough flow for any gain.
A similar concept though, that does work, is a supercharger. It does the same thing to intake air as a turbo, but is NOT exhaust driven. It uses mechancial means, e.g. a belt drive or gear drive. Detroit Diesels have gear drive superchargers. Back in the 50s and 60s, add-on supercharger kits were poplular for cars, e.g. the "Paxton" supercharger. It was belt driven and actuated from a control rod inside the car.

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