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How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy

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Allan in NE

02-07-2006 15:24:21




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Hi guys,

Here's one for ya.

Let's just say that you bought a two and a half ton farm truck over the phone and the thing is located 250 miles away.

Everything seems to be okay with it, but ya just don't know, right?

How would you go about moving the thing? In the old days, I'd grab a neighbor, we'd leave at 3 in the morning and go drive it home with the neighbor in the follow car. This time, that ain't a gonna work; it's just me on this one and I don't have a lot of time.

Would you take a small car or something, pull the endgates, load the little car in the back of the truck, cross yer fingers and hope to high heaven that the truck runs okay for the 250 miles home?

Could you load the old devil up on a 25 foot gooseneck trailer?

Help me think. Haven't got it bought it yet, but we think we've found a goodie and for a fair price. :>)

Allan

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Jim.UT

02-08-2006 11:53:39




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
I like the idea of pulling your trailer with the pickup, then loading the pickup on the trailer and using the big truck to drive home.

You'll know what you bought by the time you get home and you'll have a way to get to the next town if it breaks down.

Of course, the big truck needs to have a hitch for that plan to work.



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Allan in NE

02-08-2006 13:57:12




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Jim.UT, 02-08-2006 11:53:39  
Yeah,

It would be kinda hard to hook a gooseneck to a farm truck unless a feller worked it over like the Cowman did his. :>)

Oh, I think this old truck will be just fine. I just like to fret and worry a lot. :>(

Allan



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Jim.UT

02-08-2006 15:20:47




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-08-2006 13:57:12  
Oops, I forgot the trailer was a gooseneck....even after you posted the picture of it. Now who's the dummy?



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JDB

02-08-2006 10:55:31




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
If you drive it home you'll either find out what you bought and/or what you need to fix.
I agree with the ones who said have the owner deliver it. But thats not to say he doesn't just haul it to 10 miles from your place and drive it from there



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26Red

02-08-2006 08:01:03




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
If I were you I'd load it up on that nice goose neck trailer and truck you have and put them to good use. Or I'd take the wife with you to follow you home with your truck and trailer- of course that might mean another four legged hay burner for you...



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Billy NY

02-08-2006 07:37:10




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
This sounds familiar, I just pulled off one of these kind of stunts, the secret was driving a tiny little car ('91 mercury capri ) and having a loading dock on the other end. I put my car on the back of this 1964 F-600 with an oak Obeco grain body and made a mad dash for home. I left at the standard time, (too early o'clock 3:00 a.m.) did not sleep a wink that night either. 600 miles out, spent 2 hours at the dealer, left around 4:30 P.M., 800 some miles later and about 2:00 P.M. the next day I was home, and one tired individual, 34 hours straight on no sleep prior. All the while, running on battery power, alternator was shot, think I had a bad ground and the voltage regulator shot, must have been that regulator allowing whatever trickle of voltage the alternator had left to offer pass by unchecked, and actually keep it going, as theoretically I should have broken down, say in Toledo at around midnight in a not so good neighborhood just off the highway where I got fuel, or at least in between service areas in the dark as would usually be my luck LOL - well not really, I am very thankful for all the trips I made so far in life with no incidents.

Now the irritating thing about this was that I paid the dealer an extra $200 to service the the truck, and although others can find me intense in regards to details sometimes, I sent him a detailed grocery list of items to either service or check and or lube. What I got for the extra cost was, they flushed the rear, and transmission, re-filled with 90 wt., then changed the motor oil, greased, and flushed and changed the coolant, seems to be all. Knowing it came off a farm in Illinois, and not sure how long it sat prior to, I thought it good practice to flush the rear and the transmission, 800 miles or even the 250 miles you need to run is a lot of abuse without fresh lube, especially if you look at an expanded view of a rear, a few bearings in there etc. and I'd hate to have to work on one, have something fail or get noisy in there. You may find a substantial amount of water to drain off, from condensation.

This dealer must have been tight on $$, as I left the place with the above electrical problem, one tire with a substantial leak, 24 hours and it's flat, and a leaking seal on the rear, with 800 miles to go. That's the difference between some people, if I was the seller, these items would have been taken care of, maybe adjust the price to cover some of it, but making sure it was right would be important to me as a seller, this guy struck me as a do the bare minimum type. Funny thing was I was loaded with tools and especially electrical repair, had my meter and supplies, wish I took a reading and busted his chops a little, it was a clean $100 in parts/labor to fix, which I just did with some help from people here. Had this been a private seller, I think it'd be different, more on the as is / buyer beware, side. I expect a dealer to do the right thing, that's his business to do so, the guy has a nice shop on the premises, on site mechanics, really no excuse, oh well, when I'm done, I'll have a nice running truck that did not cost much and will pay for itself before the year is out. I've also got another suprise, when they changed the oil, they replaced the drain plug and covered the plug with silicone, now I wonder what that is all about ? I'll let him off on the cracked manifold port, it got louder the closer I got towards home.

Allen, I'd make sure that the fluids are fresh if this one sat, check the brakes out, really give it a once over, might save you some headaches or unecessary wear that you might see the effects of right away. I came loaded for bear when I go this one, and was fortunate to make it home without incident, 34 hours non-stop, well I did get one nap in, right before the sun came up with about 6 hours left on the home stretch !

The fun part was, I had not been in anything this old since I was a kid, felt like the good old days of trucking, old truck aroma, manual steering, sure ran great and held the road, no front end problems, drove great, and that old seat ( I added a chair cushion was all ) was comfortable, I thought I was in for a hell ride at first, it was interesting.

The dealer took the front off a burned up flatbed trailer, took the axles off, made some steel framework and put that side up high for a ramp, I drove my car up to it and asked the guy who was helping what he thought, "60 m.p.h. and I should clear the headboard right?", got him laughing at least, if you can find a way to get a small vehicle up onto it, you can make an earthen ramp at home or some stout ramps braced up or something, I had an area carved out at home that will be a loading dock soon, so I heaped up some fill there, raised the bed up, ( being a dump body helps big time ) put some blocking under my car ramps and I got it off the truck no problem, not a fan of little cars but this overweight roller skate sure did the trick.

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RickL

02-08-2006 05:59:34




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
whats this truck for anyway,you do realize with the new truck rules all items on the truck has to be working,I am talikmg about all lights etc if on the unit it must work or be taken off. I thought you had everything in pasture hay or what ever that you been working patchin the old chain baler for. If it s for the seed forget it likee mention earlier its in bags or bulk bags so why you need sides,use what you have looks to me like.Whatever works

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RickL

02-09-2006 00:25:41




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to RickL, 02-08-2006 05:59:34  
Been there done that,and that does get old,but since you talking wheat and oats not near the bushels. How do you afford to raise oats as cash crop,as I still do it also but the straws the money the grain is just headache in my area,and the horse people want you to give it to them. to make it profitable you have to get a consumer market not just give it to the local elevator.



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RickL

02-09-2006 00:23:29




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to RickL, 02-08-2006 05:59:34  
Been there done that,and that does get old,but since you talking wheat and oats not near the bushels. How do you afford to raise oats as cash crop,as I still do it also but the straws the money the grain is just headache in my area,and the horse people want you to give it to them. to make it profitable you have to get a consumer market not just give it to the local elevator.



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Allan in NE

02-08-2006 06:47:21




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to RickL, 02-08-2006 05:59:34  
Hi Rick,

There are only 120 acres in pasture. The rest is all rotated in oats, wheat and alfalfa. Can't imagine tryin' to do it without a truck.

Allan

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Allan in NE

02-08-2006 06:57:46




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-08-2006 06:47:21  
I'll be working it like this ol' boy, 'cept I'll be doing it all by my lonesome with just one combine and the one truck. Like I did in the old days. :>(

Allan

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Tim...Ok

02-08-2006 04:28:14




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
Morning Allan, With the truck and trailer you got,I'd load'er up and head for home.. I bought a 1956 GMC 1 1/2 ton a few years ago,all I had at the time was a half ton chevy shortbed with a gooseneck hitch :) wanna guess what I did? it had that little half ton turned wrong side out,but we made it just fine.. with the setup you got,I wouldn't think twice about it..

Tim



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Allan in NE

02-08-2006 05:20:32




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Tim...Ok, 02-08-2006 04:28:14  
Mornin' Tim,

Boy, I dunno. I think if I measured right, the old gal would "just" fit on the trailer, but I'd have to tie up the ramps 'cause the overhang of the truck would be clear back at the end of the bed. Plus like some of the other guys said, it would be setting way, way up high.

I think I'd be fightin' both the DOT boys and the wind all the way home, not to mention that it would just work the everlovin' snot out of that old pickup. Think I either got to drive it home, or..... ...

Plan B: I'll forget this whole silly idea and would you be interested in buying a slightly used desert farm with a very modest line up of old, tired, junk machinery?

P.S. You'll need a truck to haul seed to your planter in about three months. :>)

Allan

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Tim...Ok

02-08-2006 06:43:27




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-08-2006 05:20:32  
Chaining the ramps to the truck isn't a problem,I've done that a dozen times..usually use a rachet strap for that..I'd sure hate to drive it that far,not knowing alot about it,but sometimes ya just gotta..If you do haul it,the wind will be an issue,but keep the speeds down it shouldn't be too bad.. Around here,DOT wouldn't give ya a second look with that loaded on your trailer,but I'm sure that varies alot,depending on where your at..

Tim

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M Nut

02-08-2006 06:01:06




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-08-2006 05:20:32  
Allan,
I just hauled a Chevy C-70 on my 25 ft trailer with a f-250 superduty V-10 gasser, and she had plenty of power. Drove a decent speed, (45-55mph on good tar road) and it went great. I did have to chain the rear ramps up to the back of the C-70, but it was no problem. If this truck is a running truck, I'd just drive it. If it has been sitting, I think I'd haul it until you have more time to inspect things like tires, break lines, and fuel filters. Nothing worse than sitting along the road!

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Vadave

02-08-2006 05:44:43




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-08-2006 05:20:32  
Allan
Why do you think you need a truck to haul seed?
You will only need something with sides if your seed is loose.
Given that the seed is bagged that trailer will do just fine hauling seed. That's what I use-- set the seed and fertilizer on the flat bed and pull it with either the pickup or a tractor. Mind you I'm talking no-til corn but small grain works too. In small grain my carry-over is in 55 gal barrels and of course the new stuff is bagged. I keep to the field edges in small grain but with no-til there is no reason to.

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Allan in NE

02-08-2006 06:03:34




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Vadave, 02-08-2006 05:44:43  
Hi Dave,

I'd do it that way too if I were planting corn, but this is oats and wheat. I'm a long way out from the elevator and seed is field run.

Also need a truck to haul away from the combine at harvest time too.

I'm still stuck in the 70s. :>)

Allan



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JDknut

02-08-2006 03:41:33




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
I'd drive the b***h home, you wouldnt want it unless it was drivable and inspectable anyway. I did this once years ago with a drill rig that was mounted on a similar sized truck (Ford F-600). I flew to the nearest airport, then cabbed to the truck and drove it home. This was in Massachusetts, about 300 miles away. The drill rig truck wasn't quite up to full DOT standards but it was good enough for Special Commercial plates. It was doubly ironic because the first guy that tried to drive it home (from Providence, RI), it broke down a few miles down the road, blew the engine, and had to be towed to a repair shop and the guy flew home since it was on a Friday, so a couple of weeks later when I went to go get it, I had to go pick it up at the shop where it was fixed. So, if I were you, I'd drive it home as long as you have plates on it and it was halfway drivable and the weather was not supposed to be too bad. Might be an adventure, so I'd file a "flight plan". Good luck and let us know how you make out.

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John A.

02-07-2006 21:06:01




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
Allan, Simply callup a local wrecker service, one thats has a Road-Tractor as a wrecker. ie..a Peterbilt or a Kenworth with a twin screw set up. Hire them to get it home for you.
I say that since you do not have any other help as you said. If you do drive it and it makes it, fine! But what if it doesn't. After living in the panhandle, I know how fast weather can change. Breakdowns always happen at the worst place, most inoppertune time. and in a rain/sleet/snow storm in 40 degree and dropping weather. Buy yourself, if it were summer I might would have a different perspective on this.
As far as trying to pull it, or haul it home NO!, NO!
I bought an ol 65 Ford twin screw truck with a 2000 gal water tank on it, 4 yrs ago. I Jerry-rigged up a tow hitch to pull it home 12 miles away. With my 966!! This truck wasn't running or driveable at all.
So I started out and within 2 miles the tow hitch had gernaded and that idea had to be abondoned. So next comes Plan B.... a regular tow chain. Coupled the truck up short...5ft off my tractor. Got a guy to steer the truck ..... And off we went. Also my wife and son inour pickup with flashers going to keep the idots off us. WOW this old witch is at least twice as heavy as I ever imagined. Got her into HI-4 at 3/4 throttle. Keeping at that speed help me to keep the truck off my rear tires. On the uphill and level pulls I had no problems. The down hill and down inclines I needed the last 1/4 of throttle to outrun this rollin shipwreck. It took about 45 minutes to get it home. I forgot to mention this was on a major 4lane undivided highway. Dad-gum people are idiots out there.
So in your deal here it is just too far, not enough help, surenough wrong time of the year.
Think this one through.I am not BSing YOU here on this.
Later,
John A.

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billyiron

02-07-2006 20:51:31




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
call the guy back,,give him 50 bucks or so, plus gas money and tell him to deliver it ,,, billy



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ejr-IA.

02-07-2006 20:38:18




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
What kind of prize did you find now?Hauled a 59 chevy vikeing with 16 foot box on my 20'gooseneck allot of wind drag sitting up on the trailer.But thats what I would do.



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Kelly C

02-07-2006 20:03:03




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
Awww Allen quit being a wuss and just take some duct tape. Thats all that we really need any way.
Just kidding.
I vote for the small car w/ car dolly. That way if the truck poops out you still have a way home.



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JWhite

02-07-2006 19:28:23




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
Find out what the length of the truck is. Put a reliable trailer that can handle the truck behind a reliable truck that can handle the loaded trailer, and carry the truck back home. It may be more complex than the other ideas, but driving to 2.5ton back home may be too much of a risk until you get comfortable with it's reliability.



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Chris Jones

02-07-2006 18:47:37




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
try doing what this guy did from PHILADELPHIA, PA to Florida.

http://www.easternsurplus.net/engle.jpg



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JDknut

02-08-2006 03:45:48




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Chris Jones, 02-07-2006 18:47:37  
looks like the tail wagging the dog. :-) Hope he had a tranny cooler (if an automatic)or a stout clutch and a heavy duty tranny (if a stick).



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KEB

02-07-2006 19:59:14




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Chris Jones, 02-07-2006 18:47:37  
Don't laugh. Had a friend once who was trying to put duece & a half axles under an ancient Chevy 2-ton tow truck to make it a 4x4 for off road recovery (not a real well thought out scheme). Anyway, I got talked into moving it for him one day. Pulled it with an old International 3/4 ton travelall. It had no brakes, so used an old driveline as a solid tow bar to keep it from running into the back of my travelall, while he steered the truck. Fortunately, only had to go about 10 miles & it was all dirt road. Must have taken an hour, spent most of the time in granny low, don't think I ever got above first. Never again.

Anyway, as far as Allen's problem, pay the guy gas money & return bus fare to deliver it. That way, its his problem if it doesn't make it to your place in one piece.

Keith

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Chris Jones

02-08-2006 13:16:54




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to KEB, 02-07-2006 19:59:14  
If he doesn"t want to do it, it might be because he knows it will not make it. :)



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todd in ne.

02-07-2006 17:06:38




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
Allan what neck of the woods you talkin? I'm goin to Laramie this weekend.



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Allan in NE

02-07-2006 17:33:25




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to todd in ne., 02-07-2006 17:06:38  
Well Phooey!

Tried to email ya, but can"t "member your addy.

Just hope and pray ya never get old and decrepit like me. It"s no fun! :>(

Allan



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todd in ne.

02-07-2006 17:48:13




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 17:33:25  
If the computer didn't remember my addy I would have to ask the wife.



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Coloken

02-07-2006 16:51:24




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
Motorcycle, lunch box, credit card, and a cell phone.



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B-maniac

02-07-2006 17:34:48




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Coloken, 02-07-2006 16:51:24  
AMEN...plus a rain coat and flashlights + batterys ..LOL.



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RustyFarmall

02-07-2006 16:50:05




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
Allan, I am fairly sure that the truck would fit on your trailer, but the bed of the truck will most likely hang over the end of the trailer, and believe me, the D.O.T. boys will not like that. Also, the truck will sit high on the trailer, and it will catch a bunch of wind, and not only will the trip be unenjoyable, but you will probably find out real quick that your towing vehicle just ain't got the b***s to overcome that much wind resistance.
P.S., I am not pointing any fingers at your pick-up truck either.

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Allan in NE

02-07-2006 17:51:59




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-07-2006 16:50:05  
Oh Sure,

The old purple pickup would plop right down in the middle of that old truck and a guy wouldn't even know it was there. :>)

'Spose I'll just grab a toolbox and a couple of fuel filters and plan on roadin' the old sister home.

Allan



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Rauville

02-07-2006 16:16:44




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
I'd run into town, and find a couple of senior Ag Majors at the college that wanted to earn a little extra money for a Saturday's work, and send them off with my pickup, gas money and a cell phone.
(Yea I know...but kids have changed for the better since we were that age.)
Good Luck☺



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DRL

02-07-2006 16:03:58




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
On the trailer question: How long is the wheel base of the truck? I would think that one with a "regular" length wheel base would fit on the trailer, but if it has a long wheel base or the box/bed extends way over the rear wheels, you may come up short. If the truck will fit on the trailer, I would say that's the way to go.

Last week I was in the same spot you are in now. I had purchased an old implement truck that was about 200 miles away. Drove my little truck up there and loaded it on the big truck. The drive home was uneventful, but every little noise, smell, etc. got the pucker factor on high alert. My little truck was about like a flea on a dog as far as weight goes, and after 200 miles of bouncing and bumping I was glad to be home. Gave me a renewed respect for those who drove a truck for a living before air ride cabs, seats, etc. The most important piece of equipment you could bring along with you is your cell phone. That way you could call and get help if there is trouble. Good luck. Your are coming close to getting a full operation going!

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Allan in NE

02-07-2006 16:52:32




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to DRL, 02-07-2006 16:03:58  
Oh Yeah,

I know, the darned things will slap ya around and beat ya to death when empty. And, like you say, the unknown factor. Is it gonna keep a haulin' to get me home? :>)

Also, I'm concerned about the time of year and the desolate region out here. No rental cars within a 100 miles and you can easily drive for 50 miles without ever seeing another human being.

I dunno, guess the first order of business is to try and get 'er bought first, then worry 'bout the small potatoes later.

Thanks,

Allan

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IaGary

02-07-2006 15:58:51




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
Dones the truck have a hitch? If it does maybe rent one of those two wheel car dollies and pull your car or pickup home behind it. If you break down you have the car to go for repairs.
Just a thought.



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old

02-07-2006 15:45:16




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
Don't know if the trailor would be long enough but I have hauled a tandem axle dump truck on a goose neck before. It might be to long for a 25 footer



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BTDT

02-07-2006 15:38:00




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
Rent a cheep car one way.



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Sean Feeney cc

02-07-2006 15:29:38




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Allan in NE, 02-07-2006 15:24:21  
Is there any way they could deliver and you drive them home, just a thought.



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Chris Jones

02-07-2006 18:37:39




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 Re: How Would You Do It? Question from the Dummy in reply to Sean Feeney cc, 02-07-2006 15:29:38  
Like one fellow asked, does the truck you're buying have a trailer hitch? if so tow your trailer out there and let the big truck tow the little one home on the trailer.



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