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chris sweetland

03-08-2006 12:45:54




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i have been looking at laptops and have heard good things about the amd prossesers so if i buy one with a pent can i cange it to an amd easily if im not happy with it? also is the celleron better thansay a pent 4? what should i look for? thanks for the help, chris




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souNdguy

03-09-2006 07:35:08




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 Re: ot pentium to amd in reply to chris sweetland, 03-08-2006 12:45:54  
I spent about 3 mos last year researching laptops for work and light game use... processors.. etc.

I finally got a custom made to order HP 4100..

Most motherboard choices either left you with amd OR PENTIUM choices.. but not both. A few designs took either.. so i would not bet on swapping chips.

Celeron is a scaled back pentium. There are mobile versions of the pentium and celeron.

A sempron is a scaled back ver of the amd athlon.. there is a mobile version of the athlon.. as well as a chip called a turion.. also meant to be mobile.

Get the most procesor, and ram, and a good video card. Hard drive speed makes less difference onthe larger drives due to realitive data density. For instance.. I had the choice of a 4800 rpm drive at 160gb.. or a 7200rpm drive at 80gb. Looking at each side by side.. I saw no performance difference.. I got the larger drive.

video.. options were basically onboard chipset graphics.. ( sis / intel ) or upgrade to something like ati.. also had choice of shareing cpu ram.. or full onboard dedicated video ram.

I tried the intel extreme graphics, and the sis, and the ati.. intel was a dog.. sis was livable.. ati was a screamer. As fro ram.. dedicated ram, if available and you can afford it, is better. My ati has 128 dedicated video memory.. if I need more video memory, i can alocate system ram to the video card.. up to another 128 meg, in the bios setup area.

Screen.. don't wear your eyes out. I took a widescreen upgrade and a 'clearview' glare freee screen upgrade... do this for your eyes.. gives you greater view angle.. less glare.. also doesn't have that rigid grainy texture.. also.. get axctive scree.. not passive if you can help it... less ghosting.. looks better on games and movies..

Also.. do yourself a favor.. get a gig of ram... way less churning with a swap file.

I ended up getting a 2.4ghz amd65 chip.. it was 200$ cheaper than a 2.2ghz turion.. and only 200$ more than the base sempron / 100/50 more than the 2/2.2 amd..

Also.. get a wireless G adapter.. My laptop screams.. and gets good signal in places with wan's setup.. If I can get 2 bars of signal.. I can get 18mbs data rates.. and 3+ bars I can get 54mbs...

Get a dvd /cdr combo.. nice to be able to watch dvd while on a trip.

Last on the list is battery. I stayed with the basic 6 cel LI battery.. Wanted the upgrade 12 cell LI battery for longer life.. but the add-on's had to stop somewhere.. besides.. i ran out of budget from work!!

On battery, with hdd/cd intensive work.. you get about 1 minute per percent of power used... once you hit single digit percent power.. you are in trouble. Also.. on battery. some stuff works different.. some intel processors ( amd too?? ) slow down while on battery. Also, display goes to a more power saving feature.. reduces backlighting.. etc.

Soundguy

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Derek in Indy

03-08-2006 18:34:21




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 Re: ot pentium to amd in reply to chris sweetland, 03-08-2006 12:45:54  
My wifes cousin swears by the amd of course it helps that he was one of the main developers of the chip



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jdemaris

03-08-2006 17:43:19




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 Re: ot pentium to amd in reply to chris sweetland, 03-08-2006 12:45:54  
There are some AMD chips that share socket design with Intel chips, but even so, most motherboards are designed around one or the other. It makes little sense to put an AMD chip in a board that had Intel in mind, or vice-versa. I've been using AMD chips since they first came out, and was using Cyrex before that. I've also been screwing around with Intels since my first 8086 processor. I stopped using Intel around when they latched on the Pentium name that no longer makes any sense. The first Pentium was - the fifth generation chip - that's what the "Pent" stands for. Other companies were calling their chips, more simply, 5X86 - which means the same thing as Pentium - i.e. the fifth generation of the 8086 processor. Now adays, none of the names mean anything so it is sometimes hard to tell when there has been a real improvement. The AMDs have worked just as well as comparible Intels, and they used to be quite a bit cheaper. Not so much anymore.

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Keith-OR

03-08-2006 16:13:35




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 Re: ot pentium to amd in reply to chris sweetland, 03-08-2006 12:45:54  
Have a real good friend that is a Network Eng. We were discussing this very subject couple of weeks ago. According to his computer Guru friends, if you are going to be doing a lot of gaming and lots of graffics get the AMD as it is a lot faster than Pentium in this area. Like others have said buy the one you want or need at the time.

Keith & Shawn



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paul

03-08-2006 15:37:25




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 Re: ot pentium to amd in reply to chris sweetland, 03-08-2006 12:45:54  
They have different sockets, so would end up being a different motherboard. Buy what you want to begin with, laptops do _not_ upgrade very well. Small, tight, propriety package, this is _not_ a desktop. Buy it as you want it. There is more to it than just the chip, the caches, the bus speed, memory speed, etc. can have a much bigger effect than just a faster chip.

AMD has a very good chip. Pentium's are as well.

Celron chips are the slowest, cheapest Pentiums. AMD makes something similar, be careful you get the quality, capacity, & speed of chip you want. It gets complicated trying to compare them these days.

The M-chips are good, use less power for notbooks. They get more done per clock cycle than a regular Pentium chip, so can't compare clock speeds directly. I would look for an M chip, or it's equivalent class from AMD.

--->Paul

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Bus Driver

03-08-2006 14:16:40




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 Re: ot pentium to amd in reply to chris sweetland, 03-08-2006 12:45:54  
Forbes magazine says that AMD makes the better chip.



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wfw

03-08-2006 13:06:18




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 Re: ot pentium to amd in reply to chris sweetland, 03-08-2006 12:45:54  
i have a desktop with a amd athlon cpu for several years without problems. changing cpu's does cost $$$ for motherboards and other hardware, another laptop with the different cpu would be cheaper. celuron cpu is not as good as a pentium, i don't think, but would be ok on most applications. just my 2 cents worth



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Greg_Ky

03-08-2006 12:57:37




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 Re: ot pentium to amd in reply to chris sweetland, 03-08-2006 12:45:54  
you would also need to change the motherboard. $$$$



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