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brake bleeder screws international 584

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Michael G Burns

04-23-2006 20:46:58




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Posted this originally on the tool forum---whoops! Here I go again...I have this new-to-me old 1980 584 tractor and I'm still waiting for the manual in the mail. Right brake works, left doesn't, gotta use the differential lock to brake,or else I can only turn right, with lock on they work but not very well. Went to find the bleeder screws, and it looks like they are butterfly handles instead of hex heads, right on the hydraulic line right above the rear axle housing. Two of them on the right side, one on the left. Is this the way these look, or am I looking at something else? Or maybe the first guy put butterfly arrangement on there because brakes have to be bled so often? This tractor emergency brake doesn't work, I've been reading archives on that one---may have to get into it (with help from soneone who actually knows what he's doing!!) but I want to start simple with bleeding. Any thoughts? Thanks!

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Michael G Burns

04-24-2006 08:40:00




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 Re: brake bleeder screws international 584 in reply to Michael G Burns, 04-23-2006 20:46:58  
Thanks for the word on the parking brake---if I don't have too much junk in the filters from it I'm going to just use the loader as a "parking brake" til I have a little more time to tear into it.



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CEB

04-24-2006 10:21:38




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 Re: brake bleeder screws international 584 in reply to Michael G Burns, 04-24-2006 08:40:00  
Michael,
One thing I forgot to mention earlier. If you do decide to put a new band in, make sure that your brake warning light on the dash is working. You may have to buy a new switch. The parking brake lever when returned to normal position opens the circit by pushing in the button, thus turning off the dash light.
A dash light not working is the leading cause of chewed up brake bands. People engage the parking brake and then forget to take it off.

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Michael G Burns

04-24-2006 18:02:52




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 Re: brake bleeder screws international 584 in reply to CEB, 04-24-2006 10:21:38  
Thanks for the word on the idiot light: It works---sometimes. It appears that there's a bad ground down near the parking brake lever, and depending on which way you wiggle it it works or it doesn't. Same problem affects the fuel gage; I haven't found out why the tach doesn't work yet. Let me tell you, I'm looking ahead at many a happy hour with this old heap! Finding enough time to work on it is complicated because I'm using it to help renovate a derelict farm that's about an hour away from where I live and work---but it's all worth it, 'cause in the end I'm getting out of town and back where I belong! thanks for all the help.

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CEB

04-24-2006 08:26:19




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 Re: brake bleeder screws international 584 in reply to Michael G Burns, 04-23-2006 20:46:58  
Michael I think your bleeder question was anwered sufficiently, but as far as your parking brake question goes here's what you have to do to replace the band: The band is inside the tranny and it will obvious to you once you get the top of the tranny off. In order to get the top of the tranny off you will need to remove any lines in the way and a few that screw into the top. You will have to remove the fuel tank from between the fenders to get good clear working space. It helps to loosen one of the fenders first in order to make it easier to take out the tank. You will have to disconnect the lower 3 point arms also.
The band is a real pain in the $$$ to get out. I simply torched the old one out since it was junk anyway (drain the tranny and rear end and clean it good if you do this), rather than fight with it all day. Last I knew an aftermarket band was about $100. Don't know how much CaseIH would get for one. It's been awhile since I did mine so I probably left out some of the smaller details.

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Old Pokey

04-24-2006 06:01:00




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 You found the fuel drains.:-) in reply to Michael G Burns, 04-23-2006 20:46:58  
Those are the fuel drains. Or so they better be. Two of those are drains, and one is the crossover line cutoff.

Look directly on top of the axle housings where they bolt on to the main trans. The brake bleeds should be facing outwards. They are screwed into the cast. They'll look just like an automotive bleeder, but a little bigger. They work the same way as an automotive bleeder too. Both will be right hand threaded.

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Michael G Burns

04-24-2006 08:33:42




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 Re: You found the fuel drains.:-) in reply to Old Pokey, 04-24-2006 06:01:00  
Thanks! I would have been bleeding for a while---I've got some red fuel in there as well as a red tractor! Probably would have figured it out from the smell, though!!



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Old pokey

04-24-2006 06:42:06




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 Or, till you get your manual....... in reply to Old Pokey, 04-24-2006 06:01:00  
you might try these folks. They may even have pictures. I may have been confused on my fuel drain issue. One may be the main shutoff. It's been too long.



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ben brown

04-23-2006 21:07:52




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 Re: brake bleeder screws international 584 in reply to Michael G Burns, 04-23-2006 20:46:58  
the bleeder are on the top of axle housing under lift arms. you probley found them if the 0=ring are bad in the brake piston they have to be bleed often.



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