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How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather)

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plumboy

05-11-2006 04:52:18




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With regards to weather,how was hay cutting handled before all the new tech for forecasting,maybe in the 50"s and 60"s.Weather is weather and is going to do what its going to do,but has hay making got easier nowadays.




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KansasBri1

06-04-2006 11:50:20




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
I tell people that dont know anything about this all the time, but no one seems to appreciate it. My Grandfather, who I am getting ready to restore my first tractor with, an old H just bought from this site, was called the greatest natural engineer ever. He built self-propelled haywagons out of school bus frames. Stripped down, wooden deck with conveyor chain down the middle, and a hydraulic conveyor snout on it with a gate on the end. They custom hayed in SE Kansas in the 60's and 70's. Grandad baled mostly, but it was a true site to see my uncles and their friends on this machine work a field. Flying! The snout raised up and down, and had conveyor attachments for taking high into stacks/sheds. Still have one of tehm left on the farm, but is in dire shape. Kinda sad to see. One time Uncle Bruce let me drive back from a field sitting on his lap, (was probably 8) and I didn't steer so well and lost some bales off the side. I've always thought that was the greatest contraption I have ever seen. Anyone ever heard ofor seen one? We called ours The Monster. Happy Hayin!!

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msb

05-11-2006 20:15:52




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
Seat of our pants.Things like: if it rains on Monday,it will rain three days during the week.We never mowed that week if it rained on Monday.We still got a lot of hay "washed".It was hard work,but if you didn't know any better and was a kid,it was kind of fun.Lots of buddies to help and you got a lot of fried chicken and iced tea on the days hay was made.Swimming that evening was pure heaven.Helped some of the nicks and scratehes on the arms heal a little quicker in the chlorine water. The landlord had an office in downtown Indainapolis and would call as soon as it started raining down there.We would go out and stand all the bales on end that we couldn't get on wagons.The custom baler guy would only drop them on the ground.He could get a lot more baling done that way and a lot of custom workas well.He could get about 3,000 baled a day that way with that big New Holland baler pulled by a Farmall H.I can still hear that Wisconsin engine begging for mercy to this day.

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Hal/WA

05-11-2006 19:21:59




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
While I was growing up in the 50's and 60's, we put up a bunch of hay. It was mostly alfalfa, with some grass and a few weeds in it. Early on we mowed and raked and later used a swather that featured a hay conditioner that smashed the stems and allowed the hay to dry much faster. In those days, most of the hay was put up in small square, wire tied bales that weighed from about 60 to 120 lbs. We "bucked" the bales by hand, picking them up and placing them on the hay trailer where usually my brother stacked them up about 5 tiers high. When the trailer was full, we drove the load to the barn with the tractor. At the barn we used a hay conveyer to put the bales in the hay storage area. The way our barn was built, sometimes we stacked the hay to the rafters, which was about 30 feet high. The conveyer really helped, especially as the hay pile got high, but stacking in the barn was hot, dusty, tiring work. When the load was safely in the barn, we would all get big drinks from the garden hose and would wet down our hats. Haying was the biggest job on our ranch and I was always relieved when it was done.

We usually cut the alfalfa when it was beginning to bloom, as it was supposed to have the most nutritional value at that point. Unfortunately that usually occurred during a fairly rainy season in late June or early July. If the unbaled hay got rained on, it would need to be turned with the rake (with the loss of lots of the little leaves). If it had been baled and got rained on significantly, the bales would need to be stood up and leaned against eachother like teepes to dry better. A couple of times we never did get the bales as dry as my Dad felt comfortable about, and we had to put rock salt over every layer of bales in the barn. This was supposed to stop the fermentation or rotting of the hay and the buildup of heat, which could have burned the barn down. Almost every year we had to deal with rain. Every bale was handled many times before it was stored.

I didn't do much haying after I finished college. My Dad retired from farming and subdivided our property. Others now own the hayland and I think they still put up some hay.

They way we did haying required a lot of manual labor, which my family had available while my brothers and I were around. Very few farmers around here do the small bales anymore, because they can't get anyone to handle them. There are machines that can be used to handle small bales, but sooner or later they have to be stacked by hand. Most farmers have gone to the large round bales or the truly huge square bales with 5 or 6 twine ties on them. The large bales are handled with large tractors or forklifts.

A friend of mine was the football coach for many years at the local high school. He told me that when he started as coach, there was absolutely no reason to have a weight room at the school--the players had all spent the summer working on farms and were tough as nails. But later, these jobs dried up, and he needed to get the boys pumping iron, just like at a town school.

I have a corner of our old ranch and have around 7 or 8 acres that are tillable. Over the years, this land has got very brushy and it bothers me to see it uncared for and out of production I retired a few years ago and have been clearing the tillable area to grow hay. So I am in the market for a working small square baler, and will probably do all the haying myself, alone. Funny how things sometimes go full circle!

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plumboy

05-11-2006 16:19:43




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
Thanks all.Being new in farming I think you miss out on some good info that gets passed down.You can learn to farm today but you dont get the history you do when you are second/third or more gen farmer.One of the obstacles being an 'internet farmer'.Thanks for all the good reading.



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37 chief

05-11-2006 15:43:42




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
When I was growing ip in the 40's and 50's Dad would cut the oat hay, rake in to rows with a trip rake, and then bunch up the rows in to shocks. Us kids would straighten up the shocks into neat piles. When bailing time came around Dad would use a buck rake attached to his F 12 to bring the piles into one area, where the bailer would be. We would fork the hay into the bailer by hand. The bailes would be piled behind the bailer to be picked up later. Lots of fun. Stan

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Billy NY

05-11-2006 11:27:06




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
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Around here, eastern NY, it seemed that hay, alfalfa etc. was a big part of agriculture. I can recall so many fields that are now housing developments. Everyone had their preference on how they would do it, but it was always predicated on the the equipment functioning and the weather + the help available. I don't think that has changed much, obviously resources for weather prediction have increased, but with the amount of rain and or hot humid tropical type weather it's still difficult to get good green hay dried and baled around here.

I recall ( like was mentioned ) that many people would bale after it was topped out and tanning up a little, early July and later, usually one cutting, now that has changed, especially with the horse industry demands. We have up to 40 horses sometimes at our place and some of the crap that is out there is amazing, like what is in the photo above, a plastic bottle, we got the shaft on a few hundred bales and the seller immediately replaced the lot. All kinds of garbage in it, besides being tan and stalky, what a mess in the stalls, screws up the compost manure, too much carbon etc., so much better whe they eat it up, you have to feed 2-3x as much just to get the same effect.

I know that to cater to horse industry, they like it green, un-rained on, less stalky, consistent without weeds, and some people can really be a pain about it, not knowing what goes into baling hay. We really try to be real about it, and some of the locals just show up with a few bales to try or look at, also some of the best we can find, it's good to try and work together, neither side the fence is easy to work on the way I see it, we're both in the same boat.

One guy we bought from does nothing with his fields, bales them tight and heavy, out of 200 bales in one load last year, I found 26 soaked bales, ( could have burned the barn down ) his theory is the other dry ones will absorb the moisture from wet ones in his mow. I've loaded thousands out of his place, some are like bricks and have lots of weeds and crap in there. Horses pick through it and make a mess, takes longer to clean a stall and takes longer to compost.

The farmer who plants the place where I live, keeps the fields up, not a lot of weeds and garbage, does a nice job of drying ( when the weather permits) and bales them a little looser, I buy all I can get and he ships it 30 miles, I'll be trucking some myself in June. His 2nd and later cuts are really nice, some alfalfa, quite a bit of timothy, I've seen some recent fields that he planted, looked like orchard grass or similar and it was like a thick green carpet, no weeds at all, it's too bad the customer who was also a friend of ours for many years passed on last year, the fields were just planted and let go last year, I'd love to get some off those fields, it grows well around here, especially if done right, was over 60 acres worth.

We have an appreciation for what it takes to bale up the small squares, having done it for so many years ourselves, and really try not to pester any sellers like some do. We look at it closely, as long as there is no mold, even if rained on a little and tanned up some, sometimes it has to do, our neighbor the farmer had some good stuff down and rained on a little, he turned it after and it dried, was still good hay, better than a lot I've seen. I see some of the best hay in the area, go for $8.00/bale at the feed supply place by the racetrack, if properly done, a lot of these people will pay top dollar. The horse industry does not seem to be getting smaller, but the producers of hay still have the same headaches, makes you wonder what it will be like in the years ahead.

I'm amazed at how little the price has gone up, the headaches are still there, equipment, weather, just handling squares, real hard sometimes to find any help today. Kind off the subject a little, but I've always enjoyed the smell of fresh hay, just hated being up in the loft/mow covered in sweat and chaff.

We had 2 huge barns here years ago and myself and the neighbor/farmer who used to fill it with hay, besides his own place, were commenting on how large they really were, there used to be a lot of barns arond here like them, same with the fields, don't see the same production anymore for over 20-30 years give or take, that has certainly changed.

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Mr. Bill No. Mn.

05-11-2006 10:46:12




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
When I was a kid we used horses cause we didn"t own a trtactor. That came later. Would rake with a trip rake into rows then go along the rows and rake into piles. Then drive the wagon beside the piles and put the hay on the wagon by hand with pitchforks. We used the sling system to unload the hay into the haymow or hayloft. Then had to spread the hay by hand and always had to spread rocksalt so hay wouldn"t catch fire. If hay was least bit damp it would heat up real fast and possibly catch fire.-Bill

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Bud Sather in MT

05-11-2006 09:33:55




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
I use one of them every year here in the Flathead. My neighbor cuts my hay and leaves the windrow really wide. When mostly dry I rake it so that it drys faster and also makes the windrow narrow enough so that the 440 baler will pick it up. The farmall A and rake is a great combo.
Bud



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Matt Smith

05-11-2006 08:28:15




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
An old man once told me that back in his time, the saying was cut it when it's wet and bale it when it's dry. This practice was used mostly in the spring when its common to have periods of rain almost every day.



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Rauville

05-11-2006 07:02:31




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
I just had a series of sterograph photos from the 1890's entitled: "Putting up Hay in Norway".

They showed the grass being cut by hand...then tied in tuffs, and hung on racks to dry...then carried to the barn.

All of the photographs showed only Women working with the hay. The captions explained: "...most of the heavy farm work in Norway is done by the Women and Girls...the Men have a gift of forecasting the best weather for working of the fields..."

Perhaps, we could learn something from history...☺☺☺

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`Bernie in MA

05-11-2006 06:57:32




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
I mow in the AM, rake in the same PM. Next AM I flip it with 2 wheels down on the pinwheel, at the same time fluffing it with an old ground-drive Grimm tedder that is pulled behind the rake. My own hookup. With 2 good days I can bale that afternoon. My biggest help is the satelite pics to see the cloud cover and approaching showers.



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Joel Harman

05-11-2006 07:33:25




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to `Bernie in MA, 05-11-2006 06:57:32  
If you wait to cut in late afternoon there are more sugars in the stems. Makes more nutritous hay.



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`Bernie in MA

05-11-2006 16:44:23




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to Joel Harman, 05-11-2006 07:33:25  
Lotta times I'll cut in the evening if I'm done baling soon enough and the forecast is good.



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MN Bob

05-11-2006 06:03:17




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
When I was a kid Dad did every thing with horses. We cut "mountain medow" grass wherever we could find it, and grew alfalfa/grass too. Every thing was raked and piled with horses. Dad did the weather forcasting. Haymow had rocksalt thrown into hay to prevent combustion. I rode the fork from the wagon to the loft many times and got in trouble everytime I got caught. This was on the East side of Blewitt Pass in Washington.
Allan; lots of those old sisters in use all the time here in MN. My neighbor just bought his first v rake at auction and he puts up about 100 acres every year for his beef and dairy operation.

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RustyFarmall

05-11-2006 05:40:20




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
Making hay really hasn"t changed, the haying equipment of today may be a little more high tech than it was 40 to 60 years ago, and you can even look all the way back as far as 150 years and you will find that the basic technology is no different. When the hay crop is mature, it has to be cut, when that cut hay is at a certain stage of dryness, you rake it into a windrow, and when the hay is dry enough that it won"t spoil, you bale it.

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mjbrown

05-11-2006 05:25:08




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
Here in the northeast they didn't start haying until after the fourth of July when it is well past prime though they didn't now that then. Now every one wants to start a bout a month earlier and want to be done by the Fourth.



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dhermesc

05-11-2006 05:25:02




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
You rely on today's weatherman you'll end up with a bunch of moldy hay.



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Allan In NE

05-11-2006 05:18:09




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
Hi Guy,

We used to have to "turn hay" a lot using one of these gizmos. Just catch the windrow and flip it upside down so it would dry out on the underside.

As wet as it is this year, I'm thinking of getting this old sister ready to be put back in service.

Allan

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cheifrunamuk

05-11-2006 11:36:22




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to Allan In NE, 05-11-2006 05:18:09  

Allen when you get old sister ready you might want to polish her up a little or even give"er a coat of J.D.paint,BEST IN
THE WEST my favorite color Ken



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Scotmac

05-11-2006 05:43:54




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to Allan In NE, 05-11-2006 05:18:09  
Whoa..... used one of them behind a 460 utility over lots of acres! Mowed with a 70 LP and a #5 mower, and pulled a crimper behind the mower. Those were the days!



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Allan In NE

05-11-2006 07:11:34




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to Scotmac, 05-11-2006 05:43:54  
I think the last time I raked hay was back in 1962 before I went in the Navy.

Used a rake in the beans tho, clear up until around 1975 before we got the bean windrower. :>)

Allan



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Scotmac

05-11-2006 13:06:22




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to Allan In NE, 05-11-2006 07:11:34  
Uhhh...1962 was about the time I started to rake. Was a very mature 8 year old! Only wadded up 5 or 600 hundred feet of fence that first year.



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JD9295

05-11-2006 05:06:20




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to plumboy, 05-11-2006 04:52:18  
They did what we still have to do regardless of the weatherman, look outside. The almanac also, dont know if you ever use one but its almost scary how close it is alot of the time



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Broomstacker

05-11-2006 11:51:03




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 Re: How was cutting hay handled years ago(weather) in reply to JD9295, 05-11-2006 05:06:20  
We tried to pick two days without rain, mow in the afternoon, rake, and bale the next afternoon if it was dry. We started pulling a crimper behind the mower, that crushed the stalks and speeded up the drying process. Like Allen said, sometimes we'd have to flip the windrow with the end of the rake to dry the underside.

We used a J.D. 14T with a kicker; kicked those little bales into wagons, dumped 'em in an elevator to the hay mow, let 'em tumble in. Didn't hold as much as tightly stacked 90 pounders, but was alot easier and dried better.

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