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08-21-2006 13:09:18

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Been kinda looking over new ATVs online, and they are sold by displacement, but there is no figgures published that I could find of the horsepower or torque ratings, so I am thinking they must not be rated. Now I see this as buying a machine blind, since you don't really know what you are getting for power and it would be real nice if I could compair my old machine to the new ones to know just how much power would be enough. My old machine is a 2 stroke so I figgure the new ones with the 4 strokes aren't going to have the low end snap that mine does. I dunno, I don't figgure I'll be trading real soon, but I was just looking around. All the manufacturers claim to have the most power or torque it seems but no figgures to back that claim up. Has anybody found any ratings for them?

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buickanddeere

08-21-2006 19:40:53

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Re: New ATV horsepower in reply to O, 08-21-2006 13:09:18

Bombardier posts the torque. torque x rpm/5252 = HP A rough rule of thumb is 100HP per liter on a modest performance four stroke.

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Steven@AZ

08-21-2006 17:35:20

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Re: New ATV horsepower in reply to O, 08-21-2006 13:09:18

I can tell you this much, our 05 Arctic Cat 500 feels slower than the 89 Yamaha 250, but side by side the Cat blows that Yamaha away every time, from every starting speed.

Neighbor has a 700 twin Polaris with EFI and it will get you into trouble pretty darn fast! Also just read a review on the new Suzuki 700 class with a single cylinder EFI and they said it will lift the front wheels quite easily.

I think my brother went with the 500 Cat because it is liquid cooled instead of air cooled. The 250 is plenty for me, though.

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08-21-2006 20:02:11

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Re: New ATV horsepower in reply to Steven@AZ, 08-21-2006 17:35:20

Does that Arctic Cat 500 like to do wheelies?. I like the super high powered machines, and if money wasn't a factor, I'd go for the new Can Am Rengade 800 since they blended a pure sport ATV with a utility which is exactly what I'd like, but at around $9000, thats way too much money, so I was thinking more along the lines of a 500.

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Steven@AZ

08-21-2006 20:11:25

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Re: New ATV horsepower in reply to O, 08-21-2006 20:02:11

In low range it will come close. It is a 4x4 and is pretty heavy. On loose gravel it will spin out in high 2wd.

If you're looking for a performance machine, this one isn't it - more of a utility lugging machine. Maybe check into the 650 EFI Cat. Here's a pic of it:

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08-21-2006 20:59:31

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Re: New ATV horsepower in reply to Steven@AZ, 08-21-2006 20:11:25

Darn 4wd front end does really keep most of them down. I suppose I'll just keep what I got for now since it still runs great and actually makes pretty decent power. Here is a picture of the new Renegade 800. All the atv magazines say this new machine is crazy fast, and supposed to be able to take jumps like a DS650. It lists for $9,299. Basically what Bombardier did was they took an Outlander 800, and stripped the cargo racks off it to make it 45lbs lighter and make it into a pure sport 4wd machine. I'd love to try one out just to see just how good it really is!.

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john deere nut

08-21-2006 16:36:37

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Re: New ATV horsepower in reply to O, 08-21-2006 13:09:18

I am comparing a warrior to a banshee which both are racing quads. When a warrior is throwing a roost tail 6 feet and the banshee is throwing it 3ft obviously the warriors wheels are turning faster. Well if the warriors wheels are turning faster then the banshee's then I would assume the warriors breaking traction sooner but no. The warrior wide open in the snow with balled tires gets better traction then a banshee with knobby tires just barely keeping the engine going. That does not make sense to me. Yes I did observe this, and tried it for myself. Why does it work that way???

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Joe-Bob/IN

08-22-2006 14:40:18

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Re: New ATV horsepower in reply to john deere nut, 08-21-2006 16:36:37

It is true that the Warrior and Banshee are almost identical except the engines AND the tires. And it is true that Banshee's don't like snow or mud. Banshee's have low pro tires made to corner, they don't offer near the ground clearance the taller Warrior tires do. Another reason they don't do well in the snow is they go from sputter sputter to yikes in a matter of a second or two. I have an '01 Banshee and the neighbor has an '03 Warrior, not even close in a race, drag or track. By 3rd gear I can be well in front of him and by 6th I am a cloud of dust. It scares the crap outta me every time I ride it, I love it!

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john deere nut

08-21-2006 16:16:19

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Re: New ATV horsepower in reply to O, 08-21-2006 13:09:18

All high have to say is and i do agree with a post quite a while back ago that four stroke is the way to go. Four strokes get better traction in snow and mud and for some reason a two stroke equivelent does not seem to have the needed traction. For example a yamaha banshee and warrior are comparable weight and comparable displacement. I like the other guy that posted have noted the warrir with balled tires goes better then a banshee with good traction tires. Thats why i would not want a two cycle like a oliver 1900 to plow snow with or work in mud a lot. The two stroke may just get buried

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CumminsMan

08-21-2006 16:29:39

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Re: New ATV horsepower in reply to john deere nut, 08-21-2006 16:16:19

4 or 2 stroke has nothing to do with traction. Just the 2 stroke has so much more low end snap that it will spin the tires easier. You can't really compare the "racing" quads with the utility ATVs anyway, as they are designed for totally different purposes.

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KITO

08-21-2006 15:29:21

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Re: New ATV horsepower in reply to O, 08-21-2006 13:09:18

I have an 05 Poloaris 330 Magnum. I don't know horsepower or torque, even the shop manuel doesn't tell. My buddy has an 05 Polaris Scrambler with a 500 high output engine. On the track he can smoke me. In the creeks and mud I go everywhere he does and pull him out of mud alot.For over a year he thought mine was 4 wheel drive like his, but it's only two wheel drive. His is 39 hp according to the man we deal with. The new Polaris Outlaw has a 500 cc engine with 20 more hp and 200 lbs less weight, according to the dealer. I don't know how you use one, but going through mud, water and up creek banks I think mine has a better hp to weight ratio than alot of the big Honda and Arctic Cats that have ran with us before. It just depends on what you use it for.

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08-21-2006 17:18:04

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Re: New ATV horsepower in reply to KITO, 08-21-2006 15:29:21

I got a 1998 Polaris Xplorer 300 4x4 that I like pretty well, it has the automatic transmission. I has got a fair amount of low end torque, but if I did trade, I want a machine that does better wheelies since mine only does them if your right in the middle of the powerband and crack the throttle when hitting a decent sized bump with the front wheels, and then front end will lift into a wheelie, but I'd like one that had just a bit more power that would do this just a bit easier. You need a decent sized bump and some traction though, otherwise that heavy front end won't leave the ground. Some things I am looking for is 4wd, pretty good power, does wheelies, has some ground clearance for mud, alittle speed, good lighting for night time riding, and has a tow hitch. I saw figgures posted on a couple of sites on the new Can Am Renegade 800, they claim those make 67hp,same as the Outlander 800 does, but I don't know where they got that figgure from. I don't know what my machine makes for power?. Local Yamaha dealer recently told me the 2 strokes made alot more power than the new 4 strokes of the same displacement.

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