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Final Outcome in the New London emminent domain ca

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Matt from CT

08-22-2006 18:32:02




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Since I know it was big here:

-- Everyone has agreed to move voluntarily (no forced evictions) and drop any remaining lawsuits
-- The State of CT ended up adding $2.3 million to the original $1.7 million New London had taken the properties for ($4 m. total)
-- $1.1 million charged in rent since the properties were seized to those still living in their homes was waived (That doesn't sound right to me...what where they charging, 10% of the value per month in rent or something??? At any rate, it sounds like "monopoly money" to me that no one ever planned to pay or expected to receive)
-- The lead plaintiff (Kelo) will have her existing house moved to a new location within the city
-- Another plaintiff has the right to purchase a new home *if any are built* in the area at a fixed price (it's unsure if some new housing / condos will be built eventually)...I assume that means he can buy a new house for the same price he was paid for his taken property.

Depending on how you slice and dice the math and what the lawyers took, we're talking well over 100% and pushing 200% premium over what NL originally wanted to pay for the properties.

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Joe MD

08-24-2006 13:35:35




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 Re: Final Outcome in the New London emminent domai in reply to Matt from CT, 08-22-2006 18:32:02  
I think many of you are missing what the Supreme Court did with their decision.

They were handing the power to make the decision back to the states. The Federal government works for the states not the other way around.

I don"t like the outcome either. Too bad CT legislature is too stupid to create their own anti-land grab laws. What scares me is that Maryland legislature is one of the dumbest around.

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Steve KS

08-23-2006 13:26:40




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 Re: Final Outcome in the New London emminent domai in reply to Matt from CT, 08-22-2006 18:32:02  
Like I said when the rule first came down - it"s the perfect place for the free market to regulate. It finally did, it"s just too bad the supreme court had to get involved in the first place - they just got impatient! Actually I guess the free market only half worked if the state gov"t had to kick in the extra $. The end result though is the same - everyone did sell, they just had to wait until they got their price and their terms. Good for them!

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BigMarv1085

08-23-2006 05:00:15




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 Re: Final Outcome in the New London emminent domai in reply to Matt from CT, 08-22-2006 18:32:02  
I heard that the developer and the judge both have had someone trying to use eminant domain to purchase their homes for the same purpose as retaliation. I would hate to be on that jury trial because that developer would get the lowest price that could be gotton.



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Midwest redneck

08-23-2006 02:33:45




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 Re: Final Outcome in the New London emminent domai in reply to Matt from CT, 08-22-2006 18:32:02  
I read that many states are passing so called laws to make it that large companies cant seize land from the little guys (like us). I have followed the Kelo vs. London case fairly closely and it sickens me that the supreme court would be stupid enough to allow this to happen. A year or so ago I remember reading that some guy that owned a muffler shop used a bulldozer and dozed down the city hall (on purpose) because they tryed to evict him. He had the dozer cab shielded so that it would be super hard to shoot the driver.

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paul

08-22-2006 21:25:30




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 Re: Final Outcome in the New London emminent domai in reply to Matt from CT, 08-22-2006 18:32:02  
I understand e.d. for utilities - it's ugly, but the only resonable way to put in pipes, roads, lines, etc.

As it has been ruled of late, it is a horrible afront to the very principles this country was founded upon. I can't imagine what possible point the judges could have clung to to make it pretend to be legal to take private property & give it to other private owners.

I see this as the biggest threat to our country at this time.

--->Paul

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mjbrown

08-23-2006 07:45:18




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 Re: Final Outcome in the New London emminent domai in reply to noncompos, 08-22-2006 20:58:22  
Capitalism at it's purest would have ment the developers had to pay what it took to entice the owners to sell. They didn't want to do that so they went the E.D. route to "buy" below market value. You can bet they plan to sell their condos at market value!



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Lou

08-23-2006 08:05:51




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 Re: Final Outcome in the New London emminent domai in reply to mjbrown, 08-23-2006 07:45:18  
This is Capitolism , which leads to lobbying, whic leads to bad laws or bad interpretation of laws.



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Sid

08-22-2006 22:22:28




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 Re: Final Outcome in the New London emminent domai in reply to noncompos, 08-22-2006 20:58:22  
With all due respect, you need to get a dictionary. Here I looked it up for you. Main Entry: cap·i·tal·ism Pronunciation: 'ka-p&-t&-"liz-&m, 'kap-t&-, Brit also k&-'pi-t&-
Function: noun
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market Main Entry: so·cial·ism Pronunciation: 'sO-sh&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.

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NC Wayne

08-22-2006 19:07:32




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 Re: Final Outcome in the New London emminent domai in reply to Matt from CT, 08-22-2006 18:32:02  
I don't care what the final outcome was. I think any individual,government, corporation or combination of the tthree that want's to take somebody's land ought to have their own taken for a price that sounds "fair" to the buyer and to heck with what the property owner thinks..... .Have this done to enough of the wealthy corprate types, government officials, judges, etc and it probably wouldn't go on for very long. The way this contry is going I keep looking for the weapons to come out for the people to regain control of the government that is supposed to be controlled by us and not the other way around.....problem is the "majority" nowdays, or at least the image that the media projects of the "majority" are too whimpy to confront a bad neighbor, much less thake on the government....Just my .02.....

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IanC

08-24-2006 04:57:50




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 Re: Final Outcome in the New London emminent domai in reply to NC Wayne, 08-22-2006 19:07:32  
And your feeling about weapons is why we keep seeing more gun laws. The powerfull want to make sure that they have nothing to fear from the now unarmed peasants. They could not really care less about a few of the "lower classes" shooting each other over drug turf.



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730virgil

08-22-2006 19:48:17




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 Re: Final Outcome in the New London emminent domai in reply to NC Wayne, 08-22-2006 19:07:32  
nc wayne i think majority is determined by the one who has the most money that can buy the best and most lawyers . so people like us get stuck to us again .



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