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jmixigo

09-25-2006 07:54:19




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I have been going to the stock sales in Georgia and Alabama for many years. Since I don't drink, I find myself closely observing things. Now this observation has been corroberated by several folks in the cow business. With all else being as equal as is possible black cows bring more money.
Even at registered stock sales a lot of black steers will bring more than a red/black mixed lot which brought more than an all red lot.
Not a heap of difference, but a definate difference.
Is this a quirk of the South? True all over the country?
Why?

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John T

09-25-2006 11:12:16




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 Re: Question for Nebraska Cowman or ennybody else in reply to jmixigo, 09-25-2006 07:54:19  
jm, The same basically true around here. I think the Angus folks have done one great job of marketing, the Yuppies have bought into the "Angus Beef" must be better mindset cuz they saw so on TV or their Yuppie neighbors told them and its the FAD now I think lol. The feeder folks like the black baldies about as well it seems. Ive seen some Angus with maybe a part Holstein cross which seem to make super milkin Mother cows. Personally, I think the reddish/cream colored Shorthorn is the best lookin cows goin but Jerseys have the nice eyes lol but the last part Jersey part Ayrshire I kept as a family cow was hard to hand milk cuz of her lil teats grrrrr

John T (dont really like cows but on my hillside farm theyre a necessity to keep the farm cleaned up)

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KYfarm

09-25-2006 09:47:53




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 Re: Question for Nebraska Cowman or ennybody else in reply to jmixigo, 09-25-2006 07:54:19  
Black cows sell better here than any other variety.

As said below, a black cow bred with a charlais bull gives excellent offspring.

I like to go two year with black bulls to keep my number of replacement heifers high with black then 1 year with charolais bulls.

Anyway in KY black sells better due to Hardees and every restaurant and grocery advertising "Black angus beef".



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Glen in TX

09-25-2006 09:46:52




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 Re: Question for Nebraska Cowman or ennybody else in reply to jmixigo, 09-25-2006 07:54:19  
Black Angus cattle and black baldy crosses still seem to bring more here too. Packers said they wanted lean beef but wouldn't pay well for our Longhorn crosses so had to cross them with black or red Saler to fool packer buyers. Big corporation packer buyers are trained by their company to pick on, knock down and discount for anything they can to make the packer more money. It's been going on for years. Sometimes it depends on what the packers in your area are set up for too. When dairies started coming in here local packers weren't set up to handle larger dairy breeds like holsteins but now some are.

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nballen

09-25-2006 08:50:09




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 Re: Question for Nebraska Cowman or ennybody else in reply to jmixigo, 09-25-2006 07:54:19  
Also, you've probably seen "Certified Angus Beef" in the grocery store - where the Angus (black) is a selling point. The way the USDA is grading meat, it is easiest to grade prime, yield grade 1 with Angus or AngusX (higher grade, better price).

Generally, Hereford genetics seem to have fallen out of favor these days...Maybe the "prejudice" against red coloring ties into that?

In Idaho / Eastern Oregon, black cattle also tend to bring a slight premium. Guess what color my feeder steers are?

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Nebraska Cowman

09-25-2006 08:36:59




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 Re: Question for Nebraska Cowman or ennybody else in reply to jmixigo, 09-25-2006 07:54:19  
It's cuz black cows are worth more. They are ideal to cross with Charolais or Hereford to produce a very desirable offspring and maximum heterosis. I suppose in the south they cross well with Brahman with similar results. That being said Red Angus replacements seem to be in good demand here and I have been receiving top dollar for mine. Pigment in the hide is another thing buyers watch for. That is worth more than the hair. They sell a lot of "black hided" cattle here that don't necessarily have black hair. The bottom line is that it costs just as much to feed an average mixed breed cow for a poor calf as it does to feed a good cow that will wean a larger calf with the desired traits.

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R. John Johnson

09-25-2006 08:24:06




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 Re: Question for Nebraska Cowman or ennybody else in reply to jmixigo, 09-25-2006 07:54:19  
Things used to be different up here in the great white north. Heavy discounts were placed on black cattle. Back then the exotics, lead by the charolais, were paid the premium prices. Now there is pretty much even prices paid accross the board. Different feed lots look for different types. Some want red or black angus. Some want bucksin tan calves that result from a charolais cross. Even better if the mother was a red angus semmintal cross. One breed that recieves discount is the pure semmintals. They are hard to feed to finish without getting too big. The one thing that will bring a premium here is quality cattle irregardless of breed and colour

John

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kraigwy

09-25-2006 08:07:04




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 Re: Question for Nebraska Cowman or ennybody else in reply to jmixigo, 09-25-2006 07:54:19  
It seems to be true here,(Wyoming-NW South Dakota) Black cows on an average go for $50 a head (not hunderweight, head) then others. I never figured that out. I had two calves, one black, one white, both from bull, and sister cows, yet the average figured about $50. Shoot, they are all the same color inside.



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