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O/T Fireplaces wood vs gas

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oldcraneguy

10-14-2006 08:04:39




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We're planning a move from south fla to north fla next yr and will prob buy a mobile home. My wife wants a wood burning fireplace because weve got quite a few pines on our property and she is quite energy conscience, Im leaning towards gas (propane)
cause as much as I like any excuse to buy more tools
I dont think new chainsaw and log splitter would be all that much fun... My real questions are, how much more trouble would a wood burner be as opposed to gas? and also is it possible to heat a 32x80 home with a fireplace if the air conditioner return is located fairly close to the fireplace and the a/c run on "fan only" , keeping in mind this isnt nebraska or iowa and winter temps prob seldom get to freezing and the newer mobile homes are pretty well insulated...Also Im curious if anyone makes a fireplace that can use both? my wife seems to thinks they do but Ive never heard of such a critter....hate to sound like a dummy but dead of winter here (both weeks) seldom get below high 50's and I just havent had a reason to learn much about fireplaces.....thanks Don

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Hal/WA

10-15-2006 21:17:38




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 Re: O/T Fireplaces wood vs gas in reply to oldcraneguy, 10-14-2006 08:04:39  
I would suggest talking the matter over with your insurance agent--lots of insurance companies will not insure a mobile home with a wood burner, and the ones that do insure them charge a whole lot more than they would if there was no wood burner.

I don't know how they would feel about a gas fireplace.

Apparently the insurance companies paid off too many claims on mobile homes with wood stoves. Some years ago I lived in a single wide that was all electric. Even leaving the heat at 60 degrees most of the time, the electric bills were way high. Must have been very poorly insulated. So I bought a special mobile home wood stove, installed it myself with the right permit and inspections. The inspector said my installation was one of the best he had ever seen, since I added some sheet metal heat shields that were not required. For the first few years, all was well. My winter electric bills went way down, the mobile home was warm and comfortable, and I actually used some of the dead, junk timber on my property.

Then the insurance company cancelled our insurance, even though we had never had any way, shape or form of a claim. So I got other insurance, and after a year, they cancelled me. Finally I got much poorer coverage from another company at about 5 times what we had been paying.

Now having a wood stove saved our bacon several times over the years when the power went out when it was cold. With the stove, we were able to stay there, even when there was no power for 2 days. The water pipes froze, but not to the point of bursting. I have thought that it was a real good idea to not have to rely totally on electric power all the time when living in the country.

When we built our new house, we did not put in a wood burner, since we now have natural gas. We have enjoyed not having to deal with the mess of a wood burner. I have a gasoline powered generator that will run the furnace and other things if the power goes out.

But over the last couple of years, gas prices have gone up a whole bunch and I have been considering adding a wood stove in my basement. I left room for a chimney when I designed the house, so it wouldn't be a huge challenge to do the job. And I still have lots of potential firewood on my property. Putting in a wood stove with a Metalbestos type chimney would probably cost $2000 to $3000 if I do the work myself.

Before I do anything, I will discuss the matter with my insurance guy. Maybe it just isn't as practical an idea to put in a wood stove as I was thinking. Good luck!

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NC Wayne

10-14-2006 21:12:37




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 Re: O/T Fireplaces wood vs gas in reply to oldcraneguy, 10-14-2006 08:04:39  
I've got to agree with the others, pine isn't a good burning wood. As for the heating ability of a wood stove/ fireplace insert, I've got an Appalachian stove/insert with the catalytic elements and a three speed blower. The house is a 2 story, with 1800 sq foot (1100 down/gas heat, 700 up/heat pump) and I've heated with wood for the past 4 years with no problems. It typically keeps the house between 72 and 75 degrees except on the coldest days when it might drop to 70. The stairs to the second floor and the return vent for my gas pack unit are both in the same room as the fireplace so between the heat naturally rising and turning the fan on blower only on occasion the whole house stays pretty warm. As an example of how much it saves me, the winter before I got the insert my gas bill was nearly $400 over the course of the winter. The first winter I used it they topped the tank off in March and the bill came to $70. Since I also have a gas oven/stove and a gas cloths dryer I couldn't complain about a $70 gas bill for nearly 5 months. As far as the trouble to useit's easy. With the stove having the catalytic elements you can completely close the dampner once you get a good fire going so you extract nearly all the heat from the wood. When I'm using good, seasoned wood and get everything set right I can heat from the time I get home at 6 til the next morning at 6 using 5 to 7 pieces of wood. The main thing is to get everything set and leave it alone. Unlike an open fireplace you don't need a large fire. If you can get a small hot fire going you'll use alot less wood and get just as much if not more heat than you will from a much larger fire. Good luck.

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free?

10-14-2006 18:12:49




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 Re: O/T Fireplaces wood vs gas in reply to oldcraneguy, 10-14-2006 08:04:39  
Beware of the 'vent-free' or 'non-vented' units. I was poisoned by exposure to these when they were installed in my workplace 16 years ago and I still suffer the consequences. The exhaust from them contains aldehydes (including formaldehyde) and mercaptan, and these were determined to be the culprits. Parts per million or billion were within permissible EPA limits, but not everyones body has the same limits as the EPA. I don't have athsma but those who do are also more susceptible to these chemicals than most people. Electric works for me because my body doesn't make a good chimney for those fumes.

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Dennis in NC

10-14-2006 10:46:26




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 Re: O/T Fireplaces wood vs gas in reply to oldcraneguy, 10-14-2006 08:04:39  
i have a large double. the family room had a corner wood burner we changed to to gas since the house heat was tank gas . if the power fails you can cook and heat . you could put the oven on low to have heat from kitchen area . we are going to have a non vented corner unit put in the living room this winter, so we don't have to use the stove . yes wood "can" be free but as you get older is it worth it? no spark, no ash to clean .plus the tempeture settings ,on off at the push of a button. durning the day i am the only one at home so i can put on the logs in the area that i am in and not have to heat the whole house .

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Stan - Florida

10-14-2006 08:16:57




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 Re: O/T Fireplaces wood vs gas in reply to oldcraneguy, 10-14-2006 08:04:39  
I can't address the gas vs. "real" fireplace question, but I would not recommend pine as firewood. Not sure what you'll have up there, but the slash pine/loblolly pine/whatever you call it here in central Florida will build up pitch/tar in the chimney and eventually will flare up in the flue.

Stan



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oldcraneguy

10-14-2006 09:39:56




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 Re: O/T Fireplaces wood vs gas in reply to Stan - Florida, 10-14-2006 08:16:57  
Stan, Im not sure what kinda pines I got, all I know is my back 1-1.5 acres is covered with em spaced within a few feet of each other tall, spindly things ...maybe 50' or so, half of em arent more than 6-8" in diameter at eye level but they are straight, I see lots log trucks hauling the same trees all the time there. Im pretty sure they arent slash pines but not sure what they are..Would you happen to know?

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Stan - Florida

10-14-2006 14:34:58




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 Re: O/T Fireplaces wood vs gas in reply to oldcraneguy, 10-14-2006 09:39:56  
Nope, I sure don't know what they are. I've seen trucks hauling those trees to either the power pole places or the pulpwood plants, too.

In general, pines have too much pitch in them to make a good, clean fire...they also burn too quickly.

Stan



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Nebraska Cowman

10-14-2006 08:10:45




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 Re: O/T Fireplaces wood vs gas in reply to oldcraneguy, 10-14-2006 08:04:39  
OH yeah they make fireplaces for trailer homes but they are mose expensive as they have to be made for closer clearances. Check around maybe your wife will talk herself out of it. I'd want either gas or electric. Both can be bought that look like a wood fire. And the 2nd thing is, pine is NOT good firewood. It "pops" and will throw sparks out on your carpet.



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oldcraneguy

10-14-2006 08:40:50




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 Re: O/T Fireplaces wood vs gas in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 10-14-2006 08:10:45  
Thanks fellas, Suddenly shes not so interested in a woodburner, now I still wonder if a gas fireplace will provide enough heat for the whole place if the a/c return is fairly close to the the fireplace?



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jmixigo

10-15-2006 15:53:54




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 Re: O/T Fireplaces wood vs gas in reply to oldcraneguy, 10-14-2006 08:40:50  
We had gas logs in a 28" X 48" Double wide where we lived 20 years ago. That set up kept the whole house warm enough till it got down into the 30's. I set the thermostat at 67 degrees and turned on the gas logs when the logs couldn't keep it up to 68 the electric central unit came on. When that happened you got warm but could feel yore wallet just a bleedin.



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rgvtx

10-14-2006 10:02:35




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 Re: O/T Fireplaces wood vs gas in reply to oldcraneguy, 10-14-2006 08:40:50  
I'm in South Texas so I can relate about the weather and lack of need for a fireplace. We have a fireplace (site built home) and last year I lit it once and that was Christmas Day. Not because it was cold but because the wife wanted a fire since we had company over. Nothing like a nice fire and the air conditioning running at the same time. My suggestion in a mobile home, no fireplace. After all, space is somewhat of a premium so why have something taking up floor space that will only be used a couple of times a year. The suggestion of not burning pine was also mentioned and that is a very good suggestion. Don't do it in a fireplace. The best solution, get some brick or stone and build a nice fire ring outside (if it's allowed). You get to thin out some of the trees, she gets the fire she wants. Oh, and it helps keep the mosquitos away too..... not that Florida has those!

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john *.?-!.* cub owner

10-14-2006 09:51:25




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 Re: O/T Fireplaces wood vs gas in reply to oldcraneguy, 10-14-2006 08:40:50  
If you haven't already purchased a mobil home, talk to the dealer. You can get them with the ducts actualy tied to the fireplace to help with the heating. In this area they are hardly sufficient for heat, but there is a big difference in heating requirements for cnetral MO. versus north Fla.. LOL



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oldcraneguy

10-14-2006 10:16:13




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 Re: O/T Fireplaces wood vs gas in reply to john *.?-!.* cub owner, 10-14-2006 09:51:25  
Thanks John, I guess I never even thought about the manufacturers ducting to the fireplace, but that would be the route to go for us, in addition to a regular gas furnace for when it really gets cold I never had any thoughts that the fireplace would do the whole job, more like a pleasant way to take a mild chill off...Don



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shinnery

10-14-2006 13:55:45




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 Re: O/T Fireplaces wood vs gas in reply to oldcraneguy, 10-14-2006 10:16:13  
I bought a used (repo) 2000 Palm Harbor DW that is all electric. It has a built in fireplace in the living room designed for a MH. It has the fresh air intake from under the house and the fake firebrick panels in the ends of the unit had knockout points the run a gas pipe in. It also has a blower under the unit to circulate air around it and out into the room above it. I plumbed it for propane as I didn't want to carry ashes out and wood in. Ran the pipe out thru the outside wall and then down to the ground so there were no fittings under the house. So I would check with the builder on what is available now.
Bryce

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