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Roy Suomi

10-28-2006 21:44:03




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I've been pondering hooking up my vintage Homelite 5000 watt generator to my house for back-up power..I know the right way to do it is a switching box to disconnect from the input from utility co...Is it acceptable to throw the main bteaker off. Then hook up to a 220 dryer plug to feed the box that way?? It seems to me I would be feeding the buss bars without an expensive switching box..Any comments?? I don't have any inclination of running any 220 appliances with the genset..Just fridge , sump pump , and some lighting..

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buickanddeere

10-29-2006 18:47:31




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 Re: Generator hook-up in reply to Roy Suomi, 10-28-2006 21:44:03  
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oldcraneguy

10-29-2006 10:55:14




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 Re: Generator hook-up in reply to Roy Suomi, 10-28-2006 21:44:03  
Roy, all you need to buy is a fuseable disconnect, and throw your mains off line....But...then youve got the rather large responsibility to see to it that no one accidentally resets the mains while on gen power, you could kill someome doing so, I have the good fortune of having a seal on my meter that is clipped in a way that is not detectable so I pull the meter every time I run on my 12kw gen that way I know Im not gonna fry anyone...I never run my meter backwards and always have a big bill but they never even look at my seal so we're all happy and safe. Don

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Gerald J.

10-29-2006 07:56:27




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 Re: Generator hook-up in reply to Roy Suomi, 10-28-2006 21:44:03  
The other hazard is that power cord from the generator with the male live pins all exposed if disconnectd while the generator is running.

What is legal, is to add another breaker for the generator feed and arrange a mechanical interlock between that breaker and the main so that only one can be on at a time. Its even more effctive if the generator is 120 volts only and the two "load" lugs of the generator breaker are tied together to feed both sides of the house 240 with the same phase. That way you have that short if the panel was supplied with 240 volts as an electrical interlock and you prevent the 240 volt loads from working, but allow 120 volt loads that are often more important. You don't want to run the hot water heater or electric stove on the generator, it may not have the power to supply then, but you do want to run lights, the furnace, the refrigerator, and the freezer which are always 120 volt loads.

Breaker handle interlocks are sold by breaker panel makers.

Gerald J.

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big jt

10-29-2006 06:53:56




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 Re: Generator hook-up in reply to Roy Suomi, 10-28-2006 21:44:03  
Yeah Roy you should do it the right way.

If you get caught with the set up you are talking about you will get reemed a new one, probably by the lineman (My dad has BTDT). After all it is his life you would be potentially putting at risk.

jt



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John T

10-29-2006 06:26:54




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 Re: Generator hook-up in reply to Roy Suomi, 10-28-2006 21:44:03  
Roy, Im ONLY going to say YES it will work (and NOT backfeed the utility) if you throw the panels main circuit breaker and then backfeed it via that dryer receptacle, but IM NOT gonna say its the best or legal.

If you backfeed a receptacle thats 240 volts having BOTH phases you will energize both phases and legs of the panel, of course. The Generator would have to have a 240 volt output with a common Neutral to feed both legs of 120 plus any 240 volt appliances but dont forget the amps required to start motor loads like a fridge is much higher then required to keep it running i.e the generator has to have sufficient capacity to start such loads.

John T

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cannonball

10-29-2006 05:58:57




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 Re: Generator hook-up in reply to Roy Suomi, 10-28-2006 21:44:03  
I live in the country, when i need to hookup power i call the power company and get permission to pull meter.. they charge a $25 fee for putting on new seal unless they agree to for you to pull it.. i have a fused knife blade disconnect that i will be moving my meter loop to it and running underground to the house..then i can pull the disconnect and not worry about feed back..as far as frying someone by feed back it can be done, the transformer steps the voltage back up, if the power is down close to you it will fry your generator...


MAY GOD BLESS THE USA

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Lloyd Llama

10-29-2006 16:47:15




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 Re: Generator hook-up in reply to cannonball, 10-29-2006 05:58:57  
Boss man says it would cost him $1000 a year if he had to pay $25 every time the power goes down here. Thanks for nothing Consumer's Power!



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Roy Suomi

10-29-2006 05:20:48




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 Re: Generator hook-up in reply to Roy Suomi, 10-28-2006 21:44:03  
OK , thanks for your input..Looks like I get a switching box.....



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RAB

10-29-2006 01:55:36




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 Re: Generator hook-up in reply to Roy Suomi, 10-28-2006 21:44:03  
Yep, do it right. The linesman who gets fried with several thousands volts after he thinks he has made the line safe by disconnecting the high volts at his end will be very dead. Just don"t even allow that possibility to occur. Do it right and it will be safe for all time.
RAB



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doogdoog

10-28-2006 23:27:29




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 Re: Generator hook-up in reply to Roy Suomi, 10-28-2006 21:44:03  
Aloha, "Is it acceptable to throw the main bteaker off. Then hook up to a 220 dryer plug to feed the box that way??" NO, a transfer switch must be installed according to code. People have done it but it is very dangerous. Be safe and do it right the first time for there may not be a next time.

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doogdoog



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