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Boley

12-01-2006 22:26:33




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Today I took my truck to Sears for a free tire rotation,part of the deal for buying them there.While waiting I took a stroll thru the appliance department and saw a new to me brand Galaxy on refrigerators,stoves,washers,etc.The makers label read "made in china".I went from there to TSC to buy a couple of pairs of "Liberty" overalls,they didn't have any.The space they used to occupy was filled with "Schmidt"brand overalls.Label reads "made in china".I asked the girl at the cash register about it,she said they sent the Schmidts to them with instructions to send the Libertys back.I think we need to do a better job of electing people to public office.I'm aware that Liberty moved from Leeds,Alabama to Mexico several years ago,quality suffered and the price was still $28,now our major appliance makers are having to compete with prison labor.Corporate greed and lawmakers that care only about themselves are killing us.What are our grand children going to do for a living?Selling insurance and hamburgers to each other ain't going to work,they have to make something people need and will pay money for.We are getting whipped,if I buy a made in USA garment it is at a yard sale.China is in the automobile business starting the first of next year,tractors come from all over the whole round world.We are allowing this to happen to us,and are helping it along.Some things are just too stupid to do.

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Boley

12-02-2006 21:15:37




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 Re: Overalls and Appliances in reply to Boley, 12-01-2006 22:26:33  
Howard H,Do you think we should be burying our children and pulling our on teeth because of lack of health care to compete with those that have to endure these things?I do not!Thomas Milton Kizer,Florence Alabama



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Boley

12-03-2006 16:45:11




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 Re: Overalls and Appliances in reply to Boley, 12-02-2006 21:15:37  
Howard H I deeply apologize to you for that outburst,and to any others that read it.It was totally uncalled for,and is an embarrassment to me.Thomas Kizer



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Howard H.

12-03-2006 18:37:29




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 Re: Overalls and Appliances in reply to Boley, 12-03-2006 16:45:11  
Hi Thomas -

No problem at all. Thinking about free trade is about like thinking about the Mexican immigration problem - it is complicated with a lot of pros and cons on both sides.

I don't like it one bit either that health care has gotten so high. If I or my family were really faced with a huge medical problem, I'd seriously consider taking them to Mexico for treatment. My experience has been that super medical care can be had there for very cheap.

I'm in the computer field - I've also personally and professionally seen the extent to which outsourcing has affected jobs here in America. But whether a person likes it or not really doesn't matter - we just have to find a way to live with it.

In both free trade and immigration, I am aware of the costs to American citizens - but at the same time - when most of the poorest Americans are still far better off than the vast majority in many other countries - I can't help but feel extremely blessed for being an American. Almost to the point that I feel it can only be morally right to "share the wealth" if we can.

$20 to the average middle class American doesn't mean much, but to someone who has absolutely nothing, it is a HUGE thing.

But there again, me feeling one way or another about that doesn't count for much - it is just the reality of the world we live in. Economics is going to be the biggest driver of how manufacturing gets redistributed around the world - politics will also be a large part.

I'm just bitter against the unions because of all the stories of concrete in the plumbing, sand in the hydraulic systems, sugar in the gasoline, not to mention the muggings and murders, etc... To me, that is nothing more than mafia/gang extortion - pure and simple.

And I often wonder to what extent it has helped cause the off-shoring exodus of manufacturing from America that you spoke of.

I am thankful every day for being able to live in America.

Howard

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Boley

12-03-2006 20:38:16




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 Re: Overalls and Appliances in reply to Howard H., 12-03-2006 18:37:29  
Thank you Howard for being so gracious about my rant.I get so worked up about this subject that I can't spell "own".Back in the sixties I was in a barber shop waiting to get my first out of the army haircut when an old fellow,about my age now,went into a tirade about the imbalance of trade.Not much different than what I said here.He left in a Volkswaggon car,I saw it from the window.Thomas M.Kizer

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Howard H.

12-02-2006 10:04:35




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 Re: Overalls and Appliances in reply to Boley, 12-01-2006 22:26:33  

I worked for a Dutch importer/exporter back in the 80's. We received a shipping container load of paint mixers from China - the type that fit in a hand drill.

They included a packet of photos of the guys making the mixers - they were in a huge unlighted (just large windows) factory with overalls on, gloves, fur hats, etc...

None of those guys were making per day what any American worker would take per hour.

There was no way we could have bought at that price from any American manufacturer.

Like it or not - there is a WORLD full of people willing to work much cheaper than most American factory workers.

Then on top of that, some American unions started turning into mafia controlled gangs with coercion tactics just as bad as the average terrorist, so what else is going to happen???

OF COURSE manufacturers are going to look for greener pastures. That is just reality.

That is the heart of free enterprise - and free enterprise is a huge part of what has made the United States of America the greatest country the world has ever seen.


Howard Henderson
Stratford, TX

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Bus Driver

12-02-2006 08:47:19




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 Re: Overalls and Appliances in reply to Boley, 12-01-2006 22:26:33  
Pointer Brand can be bought online and, as far as I know, are made in Tennessee. They have a website.



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kyhayman

12-02-2006 07:08:11




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 Re: Overalls and Appliances in reply to Boley, 12-01-2006 22:26:33  
I dont mind buying some imports. After all, there are countries that buy lots of our stuff. China imports bother me and I try to avoid them. I noticed two years ago the stuff my kidlet got for Christmas, all of it was 'Made in China'. Burns me up. When I ordered new camera gear, high end commercial, Olympus, made in Japan..... wrong. When I got it, everything but the glass (which is Japanese Zukido) was made in china. Grrrr.

We made our own bed though. The world changed and we (business and employees) werent looking. It blew me away to hear that GM spends more per car on employee and retiree health care than on steel. The only wealth that is ever created comes from the mines, soils, fisheries, wells, and forests. Everybody else just trades money around. Our industry lost sight of that.

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THEkyroastnear

12-02-2006 05:57:58




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 Re: Overalls and Appliances in reply to Boley, 12-01-2006 22:26:33  
i work at whirlpool which make kenmore(sears) appliances or at least till the end of this year . we will no longer make any for searsjust yesterday (fri.) i watched 450 co-workers get their pink slips.sad indeed.last 3 pair of bibs i bought were a brand called pointer made in bristol tenn. iguess one of the last holdouts



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farmer101

12-02-2006 05:01:11




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 Re: Overalls and Appliances in reply to Boley, 12-01-2006 22:26:33  
last post farmer101 not 191. Gregg do you even have walmarts in canada?



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farmer191

12-02-2006 04:58:59




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 Re: Overalls and Appliances in reply to Boley, 12-01-2006 22:26:33  
My family thinks i'm nuts. I heat with corn and wood. Have 20 farm raised yard birds in the freezer. Alton my steer, steaks in the spring. 7 rabbits on the hoof for winter. Building a still for ehtanol this winter to run my equipment.I refuse to buy anything from Chinamart anymore just a bunch of crap. Menards, Fleetfarm, TSC, turning into junk stores. Buy most of my stuff at auctions or want ads. Built my own buzzsaw mill. Can't afford that trash lumber at the lumberyards.I saw plenty of morons going to work in chicago in the storm yesterday, sad sad sad. We financed saddam years ago, look where it got us. How about the arabs. So, lets finance china with a billion people. I try not to watch the news anymore gloom and doom. News nothing but a police blotter. When people ask me what i'm doing I just say "Breathing in oxygen and just enjoying the passage of time". Got to go do chores its 1 degree out north IL.

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Easy1

12-02-2006 04:12:46




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 Re: Overalls and Appliances in reply to Boley, 12-01-2006 22:26:33  
I was at a store and noticed a oak table that looked pretty nice. Nice piece of wood. I noticed that the box the tables came in said made in china. I asked a passing clerck about furnature made in china? Didn't know they did that. The clerck told me it was his department, and he was responsible for stocking it. And from where we are standing, everything in sight was made in china. Furniture, housewares, cooking stuff. And if you went to other departments it was pretty much the same. The big retail stores are all pretty much imports now. Amercan made stuff is mostly found in small shops.

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Dannie

12-02-2006 02:57:30




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 Re: Overalls and Appliances in reply to Boley, 12-01-2006 22:26:33  
With all jobs going out of the U.S. who will buy and with what?



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mj

12-02-2006 00:15:59




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 Re: Overalls and Appliances in reply to Boley, 12-01-2006 22:26:33  
You are right, it"s all about the money. The fat cats are selling us down the river and laughing all the way to the bank. I really don"t want to think about how it"s going to end up; maybe we"ve seen the best of it.



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gregg

12-02-2006 04:17:12




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 Re: Overalls and Appliances in reply to mj, 12-02-2006 00:15:59  
The same is up here in Canada. Last December I bought a toolbox chest and cabinetat Canadian Tire it was made in Canada. In Nov they had a cabinet with roller bearings at a pretty good price. I took one look at the print in the manual, and got suspicious and then the manufacture decal. Made in China, - I cancelled the rain check. I heard Wallyworld imports a tremendous amount per year



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