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molly hatchet

12-07-2006 08:11:38




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i'm sure this has come up before, but i have not seen it. i do the threshing display at a local show, and there is always talk about roping off working displays. especially if you ask insurance companies. i hate to see it happen, but i understand the reasons. what say you guys?




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jeffcat

12-07-2006 18:40:29




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to molly hatchet, 12-07-2006 08:11:38  
At the Burlington County Farm fair when I set up my saws I always run a little yellow rope around. This puts people on notice as to where they can go and not. Just a few wood sticks and some 1/4 rope is all it takes. I run some of the saws every now and then during the show so it keeps everyone honnest as far as saftey. Some of the guys will run the bigger saws with me and I give them a quick lesson on how to handle a two man saw. 999 people will stay behind a rope and I would cover my butt for so little toruble as to put up a rope. My $.o2 Jeffcat.

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NEsota

12-07-2006 16:43:08




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to molly hatchet, 12-07-2006 08:11:38  
John T., "Guilty".



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2t2@ia

12-07-2006 14:48:52




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to molly hatchet, 12-07-2006 08:11:38  
It's my opinion that care to avoid liability and general safety precautions are frequently one and the same. We all want to avoid injuries. Children do not have mature judgement, and sometimes some parents do not either. I hear what you are saying about ropes, though. It is a good topic for discussion.



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NEsota

12-07-2006 13:24:07




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to molly hatchet, 12-07-2006 08:11:38  
John T., Thank you for your well reasoned brief and it was an encouraging finding at the end to learn that you have an engineering background. We would, I think have a much improved legal community if all lawyers came with an engineering discipline. My experience with legal representation has been mixed and from my standpoint, mixed in the wrong proportion. Here is a link which may shed a little light on that statement.

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John T

12-07-2006 15:06:54




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to NEsota, 12-07-2006 13:24:07  
Thanks for the kind remarks, Is your name Duder????? ? I just briefly scanned the atatched case, looks like Duder didnt beat his old attorney huh??

I didnt go to law school until AFTER I had a real life and an occupation n wisdom under my belt WHICH THE 21 YEAR OLDS WHO NEVER HAD A JOB had the benefit of. It served me well. I did see many honest sincere individuals enter law school with good intentions but after they went through the system at that young impressionable age they came out with "attitudes" lol

Im NOT an ambulance chaser or injury lawyer but recall the law of Torts n negligence as I found it fascinating and loaded with some degree of old fashioned common sense. I think engineering was a good background but actually if I were to advise a kid who was not gonna work before law school I would tell him to study English or Political Science or History cuz a good command and understanding of the English language is best prep for law school due to alllll lllll that reading and writing.

Take care now

John T

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John T

12-07-2006 11:30:29




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to molly hatchet, 12-07-2006 08:11:38  
Molly, as an Attorney and long time antique tractor show exhibitor, I can tell ya that roping off for safety reasons, is unfortunately, a necessity nowadays buttttt t a practice I certainly believe in regardless to reduce the risk of injury. DONT BLAME ME, IM JUST A RETIRED COUNTRY LAWYER I DIDNT MAKE THE LAWS LOL.

The law of personal injury and negligence and liability concerns the legally imposed duty placed on individuals to "Not expose the plaintiff to a "Reasonably Foreseeable" Risk of Injury. The degree of duty owed varies widely dependant upon say an ordinary homeowner or a business and that due to a tresspasser which is wayyyyy yyyy less with others such as an attractive nuisance like a backyard swimming pool which normally attracts yougsters (better build a good high fence around it to lessen potential liability)

The law would likely consider moving parts of machinery to pose a forseeable risk of harm, especially to naturally curious young spectators. Therefore, when you take steps like erecting barricades n ropes etc so as to lessen or minimize such a risk, you are taking reasonable steps to prevent such harm and doing right by the law plus reducing potential liability.

I gave a seminar once at a John Deere Two Cylinder Expo where I was discussing the potential liability exhibitors or clubs might be exposed to in cases of imjury. Some basic advice in a nutshell would be for the club or exhibitors to discuss, plan for, be aware of potential hazards and take steps to prevent them such as ropes n barriers. Just cuz someone is injured (accidents do happen) dont necessarily mean another is legally liable, to be liable it has to first be shown the defendant owed a certain duty of care to the plaintiff, that he breached that duty of care, and that such was the proximate cause of the injury..... .. (Brings back memories of Mrs. Palsgraff versus Long Island Railroad lol)

Sooooo oooo my free advice is to take such steps which can reduce the risk of injury (clubs and individuals),,,,, ,,have good blanket liability insurance coverage,,,,, ,,,,, exercise good diligence n safety procedures....

John T (Retired Electrical Enginner n Country Lawyer)

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molly hatchet

12-07-2006 12:03:14




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to John T, 12-07-2006 11:30:29  
john t, point well taken. and no argument or anger from me on the truth. that's what i was asking for. looks like we will make some changes. thanks to everyone.



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Dandy Don

12-07-2006 11:52:13




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to John T, 12-07-2006 11:30:29  
Now John T, I knew you were a retired electrical engineer but never supected you for a lawyer. Next you'll be tellin' us you a part time pie taster and barbque chef.lol. Don



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John T

12-07-2006 13:01:45




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to Dandy Don, 12-07-2006 11:52:13  
Sorry Dan, Im out of titles lol. While Ive farmed on n off part n full time over the years, my regular lifes payin day job was an engineer and it was only after that retirement I went back to law school, so now Im sort of semi retired n run a small solo country law practice.

Take care yall now n best wishes

John T



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John (C-IL)

12-07-2006 10:28:44




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to molly hatchet, 12-07-2006 08:11:38  
I understand where you are coming from Molly, but it will only take one serious accident and there will no longer be a show at your location. The liability involved is just too great not to take standard safety precations.



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Cue P.

12-07-2006 09:23:47




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to molly hatchet, 12-07-2006 08:11:38  
Instead of ropes or other ugly things like orange plastic fence, you could make up something more farm-like to keep out the kids...maybe a scaled down 3 rail or picket fence with some corn stalks bundled together at the posts, or a border of hay bales. Some small but readable danger keep back signs should cover you insurance-wise.



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tractorust

12-07-2006 08:49:54




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to molly hatchet, 12-07-2006 08:11:38  
Having roped off running displays would have some negative affects at antique tractor shows, but then again so would someone getting there are ripped off in a piece of machinery. And for that matter all the young kids running around that may have not grown up around these sorts of machines and may not fully see the danger.

But I still don't like the ropes anymore than anyone else. And parents should keep track of their kids.

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mjbrown

12-07-2006 08:39:55




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to molly hatchet, 12-07-2006 08:11:38  
I hate to say it but as sure as shootin' some numbskull is going to feel the need to get a close look at the big long drive belt.



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Mike (WA)

12-07-2006 08:27:21




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to molly hatchet, 12-07-2006 08:11:38  
Some I have seen station a couple knowledgeable older guys "in the crowd", to keep people away and to answer questions. You get some good PR out of it, too.



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molly hatchet

12-07-2006 09:07:15




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to Mike (WA), 12-07-2006 08:27:21  
thanks, guys. one year unexpectedly we had a 1st. and 2nd. grade class come to see and luckily we had several safety guys close to corral them as they rushed us without warning. we also had a teenager pitching that fell in between the belt and the wagon, but no injuries. I HATE ROPES and i think it takes away from the atmosphere of the display but more volunteers would sure help. volunteer guys, if nothing else for safety. some displays only run a few minutes out of the weekend.

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960

12-07-2006 11:04:14




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to molly hatchet, 12-07-2006 09:07:15  
You are in some way "Flirtin with Disaster" LOL



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molly hatchet

12-07-2006 11:07:58




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 Re: roped off displays in reply to 960, 12-07-2006 11:04:14  
every day, 960.



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