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pafreehling

12-12-2006 23:36:05




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OK, so lots of people have mentioned the plastic bags. I know they have a minimal capital investment, no unloader to fix and no taxes. From asking neighbors though I had also kept them out of my options due to seasonal crop of mud we have on our lakebottom ground, horror stories of coons and rats ruining the bags and a few guys who had bags that did not ensile.(ag-bags) Is this stuff true?




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Don-Wi

12-13-2006 07:38:18




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 Re: silage bags in reply to pafreehling, 12-12-2006 23:36:05  
We rented a bagger last fall when we had more than enough corn to fill both of our silos, and would do it again in a heart beat. Overall, cost of the rental ofd the machine, and the bag, was less than $1000. In order for us to tear down and put up a used stave silo, I think in the neighborhood of 16x70-80, would run us to almost $20,000, with a free silo to start with....

That didn"t include the unloader either. We only plan to keep at the dairy part for maybe 10 years yet, so the costs just don"t add up.

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kyhayman

12-13-2006 06:39:56




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 Re: silage bags in reply to pafreehling, 12-12-2006 23:36:05  
Two choices when it comes to bags, the long bags that you put chopped silage in and the stretch film for round bale silage (either single or inline). Everything Ive read research wise on the single big bags (not the wrapped film but the individual bale bags is that you just cant get enough air out of them to make good silage).

Horror stories, well my leg is one, lol. But there are a lot of them with uprights too. Theres a reason people arent building new uprights and using bags. You can buy bags and rent a bagger for less than half the annual interest on an upright. If you decide 10 years from now you dont want silage any more, with the bags, theres no annual cost. That silo is still sitting there depreciating.

Yes, mud is a consideration. But the mud around an upright and feed bunk is one too. I used to rent a farm with uprights and the area down hill from where the feeder was became a money pit for rock (we used 80 to 100 tandem dump truck loads a year, in the days before geotextile fabric). With wet feed, you get wetter manure. The cows eat the same amount of dry matter and all that water goes somewhere.

With all that said, I've wanted an upright. "Real farmers" grow corn, put it up, go out and start the unloader, and feed their stock. My banker says different, and he's right. I cant afford to do that. I can afford to rent a wrapper, and buy plastic film, and a skid loader has for me been the most useful thing on the farm. Plus, its paid for itself a dozen times doing custom work. As to crops, thats the other thing. I cant make corn pay. Tonnage wise, alfalfa (or red clover and orchard grass) will give me 2/3 the tonnage of much higher protein feed with no annual seed and planting costs. To do that consistantly, safely, means a glass lined silo or bagging. All it takes is one crop of too dry alfalfa going up into an upright and layering with a couple of crops of wet and you have a silo fire (very common here, esp long time corn silage people just getting into alfalfa silage).

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Cliff Neubauer

12-13-2006 14:33:23




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 Re: silage bags in reply to kyhayman, 12-13-2006 06:39:56  
We've got an upright we built in '74 and on good day's you just go push the button's to feed but just like any other 20 year old equipment it doesn't always work that easy. About 12 years ago we replaced the original Clay unloader with a Clay ring drive and just a few years later Clay went out of business. It's got a 100' belt feeder that was also built by Clay so getting parts has been interesting. If we expand our silage feeding it will most likely be with a bunker silo. Within two miles of our silo are 6 other's sitting empty and one of them has only been used one year.

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IaGary

12-13-2006 14:49:20




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 Re: silage bags in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 12-13-2006 14:33:23  
Cliff why would someone put up a silo and only use it one year?

Bankrupcy or Death?

Gary



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kyhayman

12-13-2006 19:22:45




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 Re: silage bags in reply to IaGary, 12-13-2006 14:49:20  
One of my neighbors has 6 sitting empty. Two of them were used twice. He built a trench silo the next year, and then he added another 1000 feet to it, never filled an upright again. He got an ancient Michigan payloader (bucket as bigh as my car) for less than an unloader. He says it fill as feeds faster, easier, and cheaper than the uprights. Plus you dont have to climb 20 feet when its 10 below to work on a stuck unloader.

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Cliff Neubauer

12-13-2006 16:37:46




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 Re: silage bags in reply to IaGary, 12-13-2006 14:49:20  
They quit raising cattle after a year but I'm not sure why.



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farmer101IL

12-13-2006 06:35:40




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 Re: silage bags in reply to pafreehling, 12-12-2006 23:36:05  
I have a neighbor that just dug out a 12 foot wide trench into a hill and puts silage in it. Covers it with plastic and tires. He's been doing it ever since I can remember. Looks like it's about 100 foot long.



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Scotmac

12-13-2006 06:27:59




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 Re: silage bags in reply to pafreehling, 12-12-2006 23:36:05  
I had excellent luck with bags. Came out just like it went in with no spoilage. If you are considering this option and mud is an issue, then I would invest in some small rock or lime chips, and after you lay them down, get someone with a vibrating compactor to pack them down. Still less expensive than a silo and much more convienient!



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JiminIA

12-13-2006 05:37:34




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 Re: silage bags in reply to pafreehling, 12-12-2006 23:36:05  
The dairy I worked at and still do part time uses them, as long as you don't tear them with a tractor or something they make very nice feed. They do take up alot of space though. Do you have a bagging machine or going to rent one? Pretty pricey either way..Jim



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IaGary

12-13-2006 04:08:39




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 Re: silage bags in reply to pafreehling, 12-12-2006 23:36:05  
Don't use them myself but friends and neighbors do.
I have heard every story you have mentioned.

You still have to use machinery to unload them.

Some type of loader to keep up weather it is a silo unloader,skidloader or tractor and loader.

If I had a useable silo I would still use it rather than the bags.

The cost of the bags and the expense of filling them isn't cheap either.

Sometimes people brag things up to justify the money they spent.I've done it myself.

Just my Two cents Gary

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