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in-too-deep

12-18-2006 19:24:41

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I've been pondering. In the rural areas on the border, do the roads go right on through like anywhere else? Or is it impossible to cross anywhere but a check-point type place? I'll admit I'm not a traveled man, so I hope you folks can tell me how the border works. Thank you much.

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12-19-2006 17:57:46

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to in-too-deep, 12-18-2006 19:24:41

Berthold(sic?), ND area- couple horse/ motorcycle accessable routes north of border for legal hoarhouses (filterdodge spelling) used by locals in 70s-90s. Occasionally used by bikers hauling something or moving motorcycles without proper titles. Probably shut down/watched now. RN.

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in-too-deep

12-19-2006 16:02:31

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to in-too-deep, 12-18-2006 19:24:41

Wow, thanks for the info! I really didn't think the border would be as tight as it is! Opened my eyes.

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Lou

12-19-2006 12:12:21

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to in-too-deep, 12-18-2006 19:24:41

This is an interesting subject so Ill throw in my story, If you take a boat from Henderson Harbor NY to Kingston On, you pick up a phone at the Kingston dock and tell them your there. If you fly a small plane fron NY to Kingston On, you must arrange for customs to meet your plane, befor you can enter the terminal building. This was befor 9/11. Never made sense to me.

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jdemaris

12-19-2006 11:00:11

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Re: Border story in reply to in-too-deep, 12-18-2006 19:24:41

I'll tell you a funny story - although I'm somewhat hesitant to repeat it - since it makes me look like an idiot. Actually, guess I was. I was working in northern Vermont (Northeast Kingdom) mid - 1970s. Housebuilding and tractor repair in the summer, lived and worked in a sugar-woods early spring. After fleeing New Jersey years before - I was amazed at the gun-laws in Vermont. In NJ, no rifle shooting was allowed - only shotguns, handguns very restricted, etc. Got to Vermont - I could buy a brand new pistol in the grocery store with only a driver's license. Also - I was doing a lot of girl chasing and beer drinking - just about always in La Belle province in Qu�bec where the nearest good bar was. So, I crossed the border very often. Usual routine was - when coming from US to Canada - I'd stop short of the border - run over to the US border-building - and hand them my Ruger 357 Magnum DA handgun for safekeeping. Then, I'd go to Canada. When coming home - I'd cross back into the US, stop in and ask for my pistol back - no problem. Well - one night - I was pretty loaded in Vermont ( I was loaded, not the gun) Pistol under the seat in my truck. I drove to Sherbrooke, Qu�bec - did some more drinking and got some Canadian French-girls ticked off at me - and I finally left for home. Yes - simply put - I was way too drunk to drive safely. Also, in the Qu�bec bars, marijuana was smoked openly - and I suspose just breathing the air in the bar knocked me for a loop. I don't know if it was legal - but no one seemed to make any effort to hide it. So, I headed for home back in Albany,Vermont - barely keeping my eyes open. I faintly hear some noise in the background - and at some point I finally realize it's not the radio in my truck. I see lights behind me - many of them. Finally, I pulled over - it was a long line of border police chasing me - I think Canadian and US and I was a few miles into Vermont. I passed right through the check-point and border without even slowing down. To make things worse, I had an open bottle of beer in my hand, and the .357 magnum laying on the seat next to me,loaded. The border cops all had a big laugh over the deal - unloaded my gun, took my beer, and let me go - but one followed me home. No charges, no BS, etc. This is all true. Can you imagine if someone did it today? By the way - I don't drink anymore.

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Hugh MacKay

12-19-2006 14:44:59

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Re: Border story in reply to jdemaris, 12-19-2006 11:00:11

jdemaris: I have one for you, not quite as good as yours, but also true. In the 1930s a young lad left my home town in Nova Scotia for Boston. There was work in Boston as Rosevelt was spending his way out of the depression. Once in Boston, our young lad decided if he studied for the clergy, there would be any amount of Pres. dollars from back home to see him through college.

He graduated and accepted a posting in MA. This was just after WW#2 and many of his congregation were interested in obtaining Lenfield 303 rifles used by the Canadians in Europe. The practice was cut the stocks down and used them for hunting rifles. The good Rev. had inherited some forest land in Nova Scotia. He along with members of his congregation drove to Halifax with a car and stake truck. They bought 200 rifles, at Halifax War Surplus, went to the Rev's woodlot, cut a full load of Christmas trees, packed the rifles in the trees. At the border the Rev drove the truck. He told US customs how he and the parisheners in the car following sacrificed their time so every house in the congregation would have a Christmas tree. Customs officer wished them all a Merry Christmas, and sent them on their way.

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Hard Knocks

12-19-2006 10:04:30

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to in-too-deep, 12-18-2006 19:24:41

Go to Mexican/US border looks like a jailbreak every night after dark

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1936

12-19-2006 06:32:01

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to in-too-deep, 12-18-2006 19:24:41

About 100 miles east of blain the path has no grass on it. How do you think all the dounut types get here?

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mjbrown

12-19-2006 04:56:42

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to in-too-deep, 12-18-2006 19:24:41

You'd best not even ponder such stuff. The BP has had a long time to get all that stuff figured out. Al Capone and his pals gave them a lot of experience back when they were "importing" Candadian Club.

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Hugh MacKay

12-19-2006 04:03:30

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to in-too-deep, 12-18-2006 19:24:41

Twenty years ago you could have crossed just about anywhere in rural areas over land. I know a person who's home growing up was on the border. Front door was in US and back door in Canada, I'll bet that house has been demolished since 9-11.

Years ago I had a friend in NB, farmed both sides of border. Because the St. John River ran very close to border and river was not straight, many NB ers farmed American soil and and guys from ME farmed Canadian soil. That has all changed, I heard a story of a widow's farm driveway loops into US following the river. Close to 80 years old and she has been chased down by border patrol with machine guns a number of times. Sad, but true, sign of the times. I don't think I'd cross even on foot in a farmers field. You best go to official crossing, you'll live longer.

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Easy1

12-18-2006 21:10:17

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to in-too-deep, 12-18-2006 19:24:41

In the Michigan - Ontario border, the guys with toques seem to be particular about who they let in. Years back, it was much easier coming into the US than Canada. The US guys waved you thru, the Canadians always asked a couple of questions. And God help ya if you got in a jam over there. The OPP and Windsor police don't screw around. You go to jail 1st, then they decide if you will be charged. Not like here.

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Hugh MacKay

12-19-2006 03:46:56

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to Easy1, 12-18-2006 21:10:17

Easy: If Windsor Police and OPP treated you that way there was good reason. I'm sure there have been a few Canadians treated the same way by US border and Michigan State Police. I shed not a tear for either.

I've crossed that border hundreds, yes probably more than a 1,000 times, been asked for birth certificate twice and probably photo ID 40% of the time. Believe me, I've watched both Canada and US Customs operate, they seem to know trouble before it approaches the booth.

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Easy1

12-19-2006 05:49:09

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-19-2006 03:46:56

The only time I thought I was screwed over personally was getting my car towed in Windsor. A fight broke out over a hockey game. I decided I didn't want any part of that, and left. Passed the police on the way out. Got out to the car, and a windsor cop told me to stop, don't get in that car! I asked why? and he said it was going to be towed. I said I didn't do anything. He said I was in the wrong country. They towed about a dozen cars with Michigan plates. No Canadians. BTW, I was with my Canadian cousin. I don't blamr them for being agressive about troublemakers, but I never went back.

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JMS/MN

12-19-2006 07:03:49

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to Easy1, 12-19-2006 05:49:09

I thought they scheduled fights and sometimes a hockey game breaks out!

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marlowe

12-18-2006 20:34:05

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to in-too-deep, 12-18-2006 19:24:41

were hunting in MONTANA and crossed over in to canada {GOT LOST}not really and they found us in one hel$ of a hurry and did we get a as$ chewing we asked how they new we were there and they would not tell us. took are guns names and all info this was three years ago they did give are guns back at the border. last year we went up on the motorcycle and they had ALL that info about me on record. all roads going to canada have check points but remote are only open part time and if they are closed you go till you find one open but coming back to the US is harder then going

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IaGary

12-18-2006 20:28:28

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Lets ask migraine he's close to Canada in reply to in-too-deep, 12-18-2006 19:24:41

Can you cross the border in rural areas or do the back roads not cross?

Gary

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730 virgil

12-18-2006 20:19:00

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to in-too-deep, 12-18-2006 19:24:41

what do guys do that farm land on both sides of border ?

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jdemaris

12-18-2006 20:10:43

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to in-too-deep, 12-18-2006 19:24:41

I've never been near a US/Canadian border that didn't have water - or a road with a check-point but I've only been around the Michigan, New York, and Vermont Canadian-borders. When I lived in Vermont, I crossed many times into Qu�bec,Canada while crossing lake Memphremagog in a small boat. There is a station on each side where you are supposed to stop in an report yourself - it's voluntary. I crossed many times without reporting - but I did get chased down once and asked a few questions. But, that was in 1976 - things have probably changed a bit. Maybe if I did it now, they'd shoot me.

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Paul in On

12-18-2006 20:40:12

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to jdemaris, 12-18-2006 20:10:43

We Canadians don't shoot ya - wwe bring u into our igloos and melt ice and make Canadian Back Bacon while wearing tuques!

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Don Wadge

12-18-2006 19:30:39

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to in-too-deep, 12-18-2006 19:24:41

If there are I wouldn't try it. You'll definitely be "in-too-deep".

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IaGary

12-18-2006 20:09:35

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to Don Wadge, 12-18-2006 19:30:39

Don

What do you mean by "in to deep"?

Bad roads or law will be after you?

I always wondered the same about the border off the main highways.

Gary

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Don Wadge

12-19-2006 12:54:42

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to IaGary, 12-18-2006 20:09:35

Hi Gary. I was referring legal.

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KRUSS

12-19-2006 06:48:45

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to IaGary, 12-18-2006 20:09:35

Along the Saskatchewan/Manitoba // North Dakota/Montana border numerous trails do exist and do occasionally get used. BUT. DON'T GET CAUGHT. At one time a certain amount of leniency was granted to farmers with land on both sides. Any that abused it usualy ended up in trouble sooner or later. The Peace Gardens between Boissevain and Dunseith is an interesting one with a bunch of seemingly neutral territory.

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Ken Macfarlane

12-19-2006 07:05:18

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to KRUSS, 12-19-2006 06:48:45

Lots of grey areas and backwoods crossings but they watch them hard for drug smuggling. Weed going down from Canada and hard stuff coming up from the US. Lots of people get across, lots of people get caught. When you get caught there they assume drugs and don't treat you well.

A guy last year swam the river in a remote spot and was picked up quickly because an officer spotted the wet clothes and asked for ID.

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55 50

12-19-2006 07:23:15

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 12-19-2006 07:05:18

What river? I grew up in northern ND and there aren"t any rivers on the border in that area.

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Ken Macfarlane

12-19-2006 06:58:07

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to KRUSS, 12-19-2006 06:48:45

A guy last year swam the river in a remote spot and was picked up quickly because an officer spotted the wet clothes and asked for ID.

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MN Bob

12-19-2006 07:07:16

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Re: Canadian/U.S. Border Question in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 12-19-2006 06:58:07

I suppose you would call him a "wet-back". lol
In the 60's we all drove across on the ice to avoid paying the toll on the bridge. (Baudette MN). Dont suppose they allow that anymore as customs is at the bridge proper. No one ever cared when you fished or crossed by boat on the lake or river. Now they watch and check for license and reciept for bait. Signs of the times. Bob

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