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TnT

03-20-2007 18:04:56




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I just put five patches on a front tire tube because of mesquite thorns. Anyone have any recommendations on foam filled tires? Out local guy wants $80.00 per tire. I thought that was kinda high. I put some tire slime in tube after patching. What's the concensus?




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Hal/WA

03-21-2007 21:51:19




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
Some years ago, I had the front tires on my Ford 641D filled with foam. At that time, the tires looked like new from the outside, but because of numerous hawthorn thorns that kept poking through to puncture the tubes, I usually had less than a couple of hours of use time before one or the other front tire went flat. Foaming was suggested by the tire dealer that obviously was tired of fixing the darn things.

If I remember correctly, it cost about $125 to get both tires foamed. And for about 5 years, they worked just great. There was almost no cushioning like there would have been from an air filled tire, and each tire and wheel ended up weighing about 100lbs.

But then 2 years ago, one of the tires began to split between the tire ribs, like the casing was rotten. Eventually a bunch of the outer tire came loose, even though the inner core of black rubber foam held up the tractor. It didn't turn or drive worth beans that way!

It was a real pain to remove the rest of the tire and the foam core from the wheel. I used a Sawzall and made a bunch of cuts before I finally got it to come loose. I doubt that I could have ever got it loose if the foam had bonded to the wheel, but since it was inside the inner tube, when it finally came loose, the wheel was clean.

I replaced the tire with the most heavy duty tire I could find in the area. But the hawthorn trees are still around, and within a year, the new tire started going flat. I put a whole quart of "Slime" in it and now only have to add air a couple times a year, and those times are after the tractor has not been used for a week or two.

Now the other foamed tire has started to split between the ribs, so I suppose I will have to replace it fairly soon. I was disappointed that the foamed tires did not last better, since before they started to split, they looked real good from the outside and I thought they would last as long as the tractor. Maybe they were cheap tires to begin with, or maybe they did not handle becoming more or less solid tires as well as they might have.

I sure liked not having to mess with flat tires for the time the tires were foamed, but I think it is pretty expensive and might be hard on the front end, since the tires do not absorb much shock loads once they are foamed. And considering the large amount of effort I spent removing the foam from the tire I had to replace, I would guess that a guy would come out better buying a new or used replacement rim rather than paying someone to remove the foaming from one that had been foamed.

I don't think I will ever foam tires again. It was an interesting experiment though. Slime works, and is a whole lot cheaper and easier to deal with. Good luck!

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Blue3992 (N Illinois)

03-21-2007 13:31:36




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
For what its worth:

I've never used foam-filled tires on anything. But, I had some old foam-filled skid steer tires that I had to get rid of. It was tough.

Tire recycler didn't want them. The tires were pretty big, so I didn't want to go through the hassle of cutting them apart. Plus, what would I do with the chunks I cut off? One guy would recycle the foam, but it was going to be real expensive.

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Walt Davies

03-21-2007 09:49:21




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
I have been wanting to do that to the front tires on my Kubota I get more flats on those thin little tires than any of my other stuff. maybe this summer I just put brand new tires on it a while back an so far so good.
Walt



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georgeky

03-21-2007 08:19:43




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
If thorns are the trouble I get a sealer from TSC or Goodyear called Berryman's R seal and it gives excellent results against thorns and even nails. I use it in all my tractors that I bush hog with. It does make a mess if you have to break down the tire. It is around 23 bucks a gallon, and it comes with pump to install it with.



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Kent in KC

03-21-2007 07:54:23




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 Bullet proof tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
I got some slime at Gemplers called Ultraseal that is supposed to seal a 1/2" bullet hole in a tire. Not sure if they developed it for the military or the gangstas. I'm hoping it will work against my thorny gansta locusts.



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buickanddeere

03-21-2007 06:59:59




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
I've heard there are different types of tire foam. Anything from rock hard to very pliable. $80.00 is a good price.



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MSM

03-21-2007 02:29:52




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
Another alternative would be airplane tires.They are about 20 ply,the thorns won't affect them,and they will probably last indefinitely.I use them on my batwing mowers.Used to have 1-2 flats a day,went to airplane tires,and not a flat in 4 years. I tried foam filled tires on my skidloader,no flats,but it rode like a buckboard and when the tires wore out I had to replace the wheels also.



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James22

03-20-2007 19:56:11




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
Have worked a lot with foam filled tires at work. The $80 doesn't surprise me, it is not cheap to have done. The tires will ride almost as bad as just having a steel wheel, and you will have to cut the tire off when needs to be replaced. The good news is that you will never have any flats and the tire will wear thru the cords until you get to the foam before having to replace it. I did consider doing the rotary mower tires, but instead went to two more aircraft tires and installed slime for additional protection. If four of the six tires hadn't already been aircraft, I would have just foam filled them all.

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ldj

03-20-2007 19:55:52




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
one thing I have done for both front and rear is to find an old tire a little larger that you can cut the bead off and put it over your tire. What happens is the thorn will go through the old tire and the movement between the old tire and you good tire with air causes the thorn to keep breaking off. It works very good.



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jimNCal

03-20-2007 19:43:11




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
ALL.... ALL of the tires on MY place except the Ag Bar rears are foam filled and I save MORE time, $$$, AND aggravation each year than I can count. I got SO tired of wasting my time trying to keep those little tires up and running! I know it may hurt some of you to think about the initial investment BUT, once it pays you back for the third or fourth time, you'll wonder why you even hesitated. BY FAR, the best preventative money I've spent in many years. GO for it!! Forklift shops are the first places to look.

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CUR DOG WI

03-20-2007 19:26:33




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
I ran a rubber tire roller for a few years and it would have 2 to 3 flat tires a day they put new tires on and filled them with foam and no more flats ran the tires till the foam would stick out and then put on a new one. They are very good for slow moving implements no good for anything that goes too fast.Eighty dollars does not fix too many flats at 12 to 15 dollars a pop



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MF294-4

03-20-2007 18:35:25




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
Can you use tire foam on a rear tire that has good tread and a bad sidewall?



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georgeky

03-20-2007 20:11:15




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to MF294-4, 03-20-2007 18:35:25  
If you want your tractor to pull anything don't fill rear tires. Rear tires must flex to get traction. A friend of mine put it in his rear tires and he had to cut them off and buy new ones to pull his plow.



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wild one west

03-20-2007 18:28:34




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
Foam tires would be a good idea!! We use them on all our large equipment at an underground coal mine where I work and they last a long time, even chunks ripped out of them and they still stay up, not very round! but very functional plus they are very heavy, and will not freeze or leak.

Chris Young, Hotchkiss, CO



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Alex-41JDb

03-20-2007 18:26:24




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
Jmix definitely is correct on having good tread. That tire goop is nasty stuff when your trying to change the tube and or tire. Also the foam acts as a loaded tire. We have it on our bobcat. Go for it.



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colekicker

03-20-2007 19:18:51




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to Alex-41JDb, 03-20-2007 18:26:24  
You should visit your local New Holland dealer and ask about Galaxy Solid Flex tires. Tires are GUARANTEED to last 3 TIMES longer than your standard tires. They are made with a mining rubber compound. Plus, they are a smoother ride than foam filled tires.



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Michael Soldan

03-20-2007 18:21:39




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
I've had good luck with the tire seal, like you used, one hay rack that I use when I cut wood or fix fence often runs over hawthorns, used to get flats but not anymore with the tire seal. I've never filled a tire with foam. I've always had good results with the liquid goop.



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jmixigo

03-20-2007 18:12:30




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 Re: Foam filled tires in reply to TnT, 03-20-2007 18:04:56  
To me $80 is cheap enough. No flats ever (on that tire). Make sure when you foam a tire it has good tread on it. Won't never go flat, but to change the tire you gotta cut it off with a saw.



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