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Bent axle-update

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coflyboy

04-24-2007 13:18:10




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About a year ago I posted a question on this forum as to why the left front wheel on my Ford 641 was bent rearward (as in castor tilted rearward instead of forward) while the right one was straight. I advised at that time that the tractor had been picked up in a tornado and dropped on the left front wheel.

Several of the good folks on this forum tried to help, but the unanswered question was how could the cast iron axle be bent but not broken since cast breaks instead of bending.

As can be seen in the attached picture the culprit is the bolt holding the axle to the radius rod. It broke at the lower axle/radius rod junction causing the axle to bend rearward at the bottom. The spindle, of course, then would tilt rearward.

I was almost too embarrassed to post this as I should have seen that broken bolt. I guess people tend to see what they expect to see.

The reason for this post was to hopefully help others from missing this under similar circumstances. If the top of the bolt had also broken at the wrong time, bad things could have happened.

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Vern-MI

04-24-2007 16:10:05




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 Re: Bent axle-update in reply to coflyboy, 04-24-2007 13:18:10  
What is that line on the lower end of the radius arm yoke? Is it cracked?



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coflyboy

04-24-2007 17:10:18




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 Re: Bent axle-update in reply to Vern-MI, 04-24-2007 16:10:05  
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I buffed if off and looked at it using a magnifying glass.

Appears to me to be casting and incidental marks. What do you think?



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tractorsam

04-24-2007 15:04:28




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 Re: Bent axle-update in reply to coflyboy, 04-24-2007 13:18:10  
I'll second the vote on cast steel for that front axle. I had a Ferguson tractor that I just couldn't get the front axle right on. It kept rubbing on the front of the axle housing. I compared it with another and the sides were swept back an extra 2" on each side, really badly bent. Hope this helps, tractorsam



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coflyboy

04-24-2007 17:16:13




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 Re: Bent axle-update in reply to tractorsam, 04-24-2007 15:04:28  
I put that axel on a flat machine surface thinking the same thing. It appeared flat. I bought a new axel anyway. There was no difference.

The new bolt makes it right.

Thanks.



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george md

04-24-2007 13:28:03




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 Re: Bent axle-update in reply to coflyboy, 04-24-2007 13:18:10  

My guess is that the axle is cast steel and not

cast iron . Depending on the alloy cast steel

is usually somewhat ductile and will weld

with 7018 or similar rod.

george



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coflyboy

04-24-2007 14:04:07




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 Re: Bent axle-update in reply to george md, 04-24-2007 13:28:03  
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Thanks George, but all I heard from those with whom I spoke was cast iron. How can you tell the difference?

I may have mislead you a little. I just put in a new bolt and she straighten right out.

The picture is the bolt which I removed.

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mjbrown

04-24-2007 15:58:48




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 Re: Bent axle-update in reply to coflyboy, 04-24-2007 14:04:07  
I think you can tell cast iron from cast steel with a spark test using a grinder. The cast iron makes short orange sparks with out forks and steel will make longer yellow sparks witha few sprigs or forks. Higher grades of steel will have more forks and shorter tails. I'm doing this from memory. My books are at work. I'll look it up tomorrow to check my memory.



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