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High Voltage Lines and Safety

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Billy NY

05-31-2007 13:59:58




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Does anyone know anything about or where there are any publications about safe working distances from transmission lines carrying 115,000 volts ?

I've had the right of way agent to our place and although I was able to voice opinions, went on record about concerns via e-mail, the person really was not much help in regards to safety or providing any information on same. We own on both sides of their easement which they own and I do maintain the areas around and on their easement as best can be done, one side was pasture, the other an active ag field with corn, and the farmer passes under them at the corner spring and fall, it really bugs me as to what is safe and what is not.

The bottom pair really creep me the heck out, there are 3 pair stacked side by side on the one large circuit and the other circuit next to it is a new pair of 34,000 volts but is much higher now, plenty safe, but the 115,000 bottom pair appear to be less than 20 feet from the ground, more like 15 feet, it would be nice to know exactly how low by measuring, need some sort of device, there must be some means to measure without danger, compare to what is called for by electrical reference standards. They are obviously lower when the draw on them is at max, and when it's hot in the summer. Conductor is bare aluminum.

Low spot is right where I cross, and have been for years, but for now I don't go near them at all, not worth the risk by any means, just creeps me out to even walk under them, they seem too low. I can get a steady induction or static spark off my trigger guard if stand under them with a springfield M1A in hand say at port arms. Right of Way agent who is knowledgeable about these matters was not much help in regard to safety, but did meet with me and walk the length through our place. Basically said to stay away, which I have done since before this meeting, just seems they should be farther away due to the amount of voltage. I am concerned about my activty near them and the farmer who has been working this ground for 50 years, I am suspicious that they have sagged over time, and may not be as safe as they once were. Power company loses a huge amount of money if they go down for any reason, so they probably don't want to deal with it.

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dellwoodbu

01-17-2008 09:17:57




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Bob Kerr

01-17-2008 09:12:46




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 Re: Plastic gas containers - any clever way to vent ? in reply to Vally Farm, 01-16-2008 20:57:05  
I squeeze the sides in a bit too on the recangular plastic cans. seems to help a bit with the pressure, but nothing will help it on a hot day.



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ShepFL

01-17-2008 15:29:51




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 Long long response in reply to JBMac, 01-17-2008 07:59:21  
FWIW here are my long winded observations and comments.

I was in very similar situation 4 yrs ago. I have since diversified - I am now into 2nd year of CSA, silviculture (planted pines for pulp & saw lumber) and aquaculture (catfish pond = $1.00 / lb of fish caught).
Given all the haying equipment you have you may just want to stay with that and do square bales for the horse crowd. If you just want to keep the Ag Exemption with out much labor consider leasing as pasture or pulp wood. On the other hand if you are close enough I am looking for my local tractor club to to install a Corn Maize for annual BSA fund raiser. :D Then end of yr. we could all chop and sell the silage for rent of the land.

Back To The Topic

I tried the U-PICK and unless you live next to major hard road FORGET IT! BTDT! Majority of the public is VERY LAZY! They will not come and pick your veggies - they want you to grow it, pick it, clean it and then deliver it. One year I had to plow under 10 acres of sweet corn. Beyond that you cannot anticipate the public's appetite for fresh produce and trying to grow only small amounts dilutes your focus not including the additional time for each component.

If you still insist on doing a U-PICK focus on select an item like Blueberries. They grow well in N. FL acidic soil and require little maintenance and little tillage work. Easy picking and you can sell by the pound. Good family fun also.

Next I tried CO-OP for local neighboring families and it was mildly successful. Had some exposure due to 3 families dropping out. Risk here is that if you have a bad crop year (drought, flood, etc) you are still on the hook for delivery. Guess what - that corn or watermelon you thought you were going to sell for $3 ears is now going to cost you the current market value on top of all your existing labor and growing costs just to meet your original CO-OP customer obligations. Same thing applies to subscription farming - bad yr. leaves you exposed for replacement crops at market value and if popular item low supply equals higher costs. One bad season can really dampen your desires.

What is working for me is CSA. This is Consumer Supported Agriculture. Google it on the web and you will get lots of information. The County Extension Offices are also great resources. Also use this link for FL specific production>Link

The CSA concept and practice is to get customers that want to share with you the production costs and labor of raising crops they specifically desire. You provide the land, tractor and grow only what your customers pre-pay for i.e. X lbs of fresh produce weekly for family of 4. This approach mitigates the traditional risk with "truck farming" because the customers understand that if it is a bad year it is a bad year for all. We all share the loss not just the producer. If it is a good year I get to play with my tractors, play in the dirt (theraputic stress relief for me :D ) and customers get farm fresh seasonal produce on a weekly basis.
My day job is Sr. Mgmt for IT firm and I have a niche market due to all the Hindu Indian and Singaporeans. They get a kick out of coming to "farm" and helping out during harvest time; some just pay extra for weekly delivery. To improve my marketing approach this yr. I have swapped web design & hosting for produce. I hope to get an interactive web site and I get to focus on grow the veggies!

My Hindu/Asian customers have already pre-paid for first session 2008. Majority of what they want is squash flowers and their traditional herbs (exotic to me). Herbs are generally very easy to grow and they will pay premium prices - I sell in clear little clamshells for $5.00 per shell. As the yr. progress we move into eggplant, peppers (HOT and mild), snake squash, fresh beans, field peas and okra aka Lady Fingers and punkins.
Last year I brought in sweet corn and the Indians went NUTS over it, they are used to traditional corn i.e. Indian corn aka maize etc. used for flour. They never had it before. Not much call for spuds or tomatoes but I love them so we grow alot of them for canning. See this link for veggie producton in FL>Link

Another>Link twist I am adding this year is planting for cut flowers Zinnias, Gladiolus, Sunflower, Butterfly Weed and Blue Spiraea hoping to sell to CSA customers and local florists before Mother's Day. Got the idea from County Ext. Office as I was thinking meat goats but I don't have the time to do build fences, etc.
On the subject of ORGANIC -
If you do consider 100% ORGANIC it is a very lengthy and expensive path to get certified. Your Ext. Agent can give you more details on the levels of ORGANIC. (see this link>Link

This>Link yr. I am working on +70% Organic due to split farm production i.e. organic and convential products. While ORGANIC demands higher market prices you need to expect heaps and heaps of admin work, more labor and equipment time in the field until you get your practices "dialed in" not to mention the "blemished" produce and reduced yields. The benefits are I can label and sell CSA products as ORGANIC per NOP rules. While this is a tough road the returns are better than average for reasons I really don't understand - perhaps the "greening" cycle we are going thru as a nation.

So there you have it from one N. Florida part time grower to another. I am in Sanderson, FL. Where are you? My email is greg underscore sheppard at APL dot com if I can help any.

Good Luck and Keep the Faith!

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greygoat

01-17-2008 07:54:36




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 Re: log spltter in reply to andys, 01-16-2008 15:56:43  
If you are working a hydraulic woodsplitter from
tractor hydraulics, then, speed is determined by
pump output in gallons per minute, (GPM), and the
machine may cycle faster as the tractor engine is
speeded up. Splitting force is determined by the
tractor output pressure, pounds per square inch,
(PSI), which is determined by the safety relief
valve setting of the tractor hydraulic system.
Force is also subject to the size of the splitter
cylinder. A 4 inch bore cylinder has 12.56 inch
of piston area. pressure times area equals tonnage
of force (12.56 X 2000 =25120) divide by 2000
lbs per ton equals 12 1/2 ton. the same 2000 psi
on a 5 inch cylinder, (19.625 inch area) is
39250 lbs which is 19.62 tons.
There are reducing valves which reduce pressure
going from a system to a component, but no valve
can increase pressure beyond that of system
pressure setting.
Determine system pressure, and knowing cylinder
size will allow you to calculate splitting force

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JT

01-17-2008 08:05:51




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 Re: O/T What would you farm on 25 acres? in reply to JBMac, 01-17-2008 07:59:21  
A u pick vegetable farm would be a way to loose good income. you could grow veggies, pick your self, sell at farmers market. Most people do not know how to handle plants so they can continue producing. I would think more along the lines of hay, put in small sqrares if you are going to sell to horse people, most cannot handle the big rounds. Put 20 in hay, and the other five as pasture ground for livestock?
JIm

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KEH

01-17-2008 07:32:24




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 Re: OT trailer floor in reply to bhb, 01-17-2008 07:22:33  

White oak. This subject was discussed over on the tractor transporting forum.

Reason for white oak is that it is one of the hardest US woods. It is also decay resistant and will shed water because of the way the pores in the wood run. Earlier settlers used white to split roofing shingles from. Also barrels were made from white oak. Whiskey barrels still are to the best of my knowledge. Other hard woods such as Hickory are not decay resistant.


KEH

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old

01-17-2008 07:28:46




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 Re: I-6 loader in reply to Hey old...., 01-17-2008 07:18:36  
Nope its close to Stover MO and is in very sad shape. The exhaust is open to let rain get into the engine and the spark plugs are out of the engine



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rrlund

01-17-2008 08:10:20




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 Re: OT:dirt trading in reply to Dave from MN, 01-17-2008 08:01:22  
I trade the other way around now and then with my brother. He gets more for black dirt than he does for sand of bank run gravel from his pit,so when I get some feedlot dirt composted we trade one for one. But,the blackdirt being worth more,with his equipment and fuel being used,I would think it would be 2 for 1 the other way around. In other words,if he used his equipment to take my sand and hauled back blackdirt,I would expect him to take 2 sand for every one blackdirt he brought back.

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Matt from CT

05-31-2007 14:47:25




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 Re: High Voltage Lines and Safety in reply to Billy NY, 05-31-2007 13:59:58  
Might want to post your question at the link below.

I just go there once or twice a year to read their linemen's tales of the weird and scarey stuff encountered on their job.



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glennster

05-31-2007 14:27:49




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 Re: High Voltage Lines and Safety in reply to Billy NY, 05-31-2007 13:59:58  
in my early days i worked for an electrical contractor. on the 186kv lines, 8 feet was the minimum insulator had to be from the tower. the 345kv lines needed 16 ft. if you are going under them, i'd want a minimum of 15 ft clearance from a machine to the line. 115kv is a hell of a lot of power. call the power company and see if they can raise that line up some. if you want to try something neat, on a fairly humid nite, walk under the line with an 8 ft flourescent light bulb, hold one end, raise the other end up toward the line. the bulb will light up. the halo around them lines is quite large!!!!

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Joe in MN.

01-17-2008 09:35:07




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 Re: O/T What would you farm on 25 acres? in reply to JBMac, 01-17-2008 07:59:21  
You could try growing Poppies --- I hear they have that going on in Afghan Countries -- and do very well at it --- also Marijuana is a high cash crop --- but I think the law don't like that growing for some odd reason --- Good luck in your adventure ....



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JMS/MN

05-31-2007 14:09:41




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 Re: High Voltage Lines and Safety in reply to Billy NY, 05-31-2007 13:59:58  
Couple decades ago a new mega-line was proposed to come across Central MN, so info meetings were held in the area. One person testified about his concern that wildlife would be affected, not wanting to mate under the line. Stearns county farmer said he wasn't too excited about the prospect of mating under the line, either!



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