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Good Day on the Farm

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Walt Davies

08-14-2007 12:22:13




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A few year back I put in for a building permit on 4 acres that I own, never thought it would be such a mess. After two years of fighting every whacko organization in the state I lost and it cost me a bundle to do just that.

Well today I took a trip up the hill on Fishback rd. to see what the county Commissioners were up to. Ran into an old Friend Kelly Gordon if your are ever out here stay clear of this guy.

Had a few words, ask him if he didn't have anything better to do. Then Let him have it with both barrels. Called him a Fat A$$ Lier and then ask the lady with him if she wouldn't do better in different company.

Then said well maybe you're a Fat A$$ Lier too.

Made my day an sure it didn't help Ol' Kelly's Day out any to much.

Was riding my new "free" Cockshutt 35 too.

Walt

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kyplowboy

08-14-2007 17:47:28




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 Re: Good Day on the Farm in reply to Walt Davies, 08-14-2007 12:22:13  
My county does not even have zoning laws. How long do yall think that will last? At the rate we are going not too long I fear!

Dave



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Eric SEI

08-14-2007 18:58:30




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 Re: Good Day on the Farm in reply to kyplowboy, 08-14-2007 17:47:28  
In Hamilton County Ohio (Cincinnati) one township (Whitewater) does not have zoning. So of course, junkyards, gravel pits, junk cars, warehouses, trailer parks go in where ever people want to put them. Anything can go in next door or across the road, and there's not a thing the locals can do about it.

There is a reason most places are zoned these days.



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kyplowboy

08-14-2007 19:40:10




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 Re: Good Day on the Farm in reply to Eric SEI, 08-14-2007 18:58:30  
I will take my chances with anything that wants to come in next door. With a few sows I figure I can make my place a bad place to move next to aswell. I just want to be able to put in a junk yard, trailor park, or chicken houses on my place as well. Zoning laws are a way for big brother to tell you what you can do with your place on this world. You pay taxes to pay for people to tell you that you can only do with your ground what THEY see fit. To each his own. For people who like the idea there are plenty of places with them. Just don't move to this county and tell us we need them after you get here.

Dave

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Dave from MN

08-14-2007 15:42:54




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 Re: Good Day on the Farm in reply to Walt Davies, 08-14-2007 12:22:13  
Been there done that. Getting to do what you want all depends on who you are, who owes you, and who fears you, and then make sure the who's are commisioners and boards. It also helps if you want to devlop ag land, thats almost always a shoe in, unless of course some one else has their eye on YOUR land, then you'll be denied and the one the "who's" fear and owe, will make an offer to you and then they will be able to do what you couldn't. It's BS I know,kinda trying to keep upbeat about it, cause some day they are gonna want my land, and its gonna be sold their competitor.

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Walt Davies

08-14-2007 17:46:34




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 Re: Good Day on the Farm in reply to Dave from MN, 08-14-2007 15:42:54  
I'm taking all mine with me. In Oregon you can be buried on your own land so I decided to turn the whole farm into a special burial place for me and my wife thus tying it up for ever just for us.

Wont that make them all mad they can't touch it forever and ever. Now where does one get 100 million tons of rock to build my pyramid with.

Walt



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Dave from MN

08-14-2007 20:11:55




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 Re: Good Day on the Farm in reply to Walt Davies, 08-14-2007 17:46:34  
I think we picked that many rocks off the neighbors feilds growing up. Then some one came in with loaders and semi's and in 3 months hauled 40+ years of picked rocks out, cause the city folks WANTED them in their landscaping.



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Matt from CT

08-14-2007 17:59:04




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 Re: Good Day on the Farm in reply to Walt Davies, 08-14-2007 17:46:34  
Don't joke, Walt.

City near me has a big cemetery the Cemetery Association bought in 1906 or so. In 1960 something, Connecticut Turnpike cut it in half, and while there's a bridge between the two halves they hadn't used the other section for anything but making hay.

Until yesterday. Had their first internment.

And boy, is the City Manager / Economic Development Commission / Developers all bent out of shape that the "last, best place for commercial development!" is actually going to be used for what is was bought a 100 years ago to be used for -- as a cemetery.

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Billy NY

08-14-2007 14:31:15




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 Re: Good Day on the Farm in reply to Walt Davies, 08-14-2007 12:22:13  
Funny you mention this subject, but I'll bet it felt good to express your thoughts, been there done that LOL !

I deal with issues like these for customers, when they need to go before a planning or zoning board when called for by the code. One of the things I notice is that so many people show up to these meetings uninformed, misinformed, know nothing of the applicable codes, present their proposal poorly and even don't consider their personal appearance. Same people sometimes become visibly upset, make rash statements, draw unecessary attention to themselves which is not goos if they are required to return to another meeting to have the issue approved, settled or otherwise resolved.

This is not to say that within some of these municipalities, there are those who hold positions that are less than desirable, dishonest and all the other typical scenarios one can think of, it's happened here, crooked building inspector not only got caught in a scandal, was mean to every person who had to deal with him for over 30 years, also succomed to some nasty illness and passed away soon after, no one had a kind word for the guy after years of badgering people.

We made fools of the town and their attorney's when they attempted to execute a condemnation proceeding on our old victorian farm house and barn by securing an injunction stopping the proceeding dead in it's tracks. It made the front page of the newspaper, and was an ugly scene at the site where a demolition company was mobilized to take the buildings down, involving the state troopers unfortunately. The proceedings they executed also included breaking and entering a locked and boarded up building to make a bogus engineering assessment, fueled by a rotten neighbor, the crooked building inspector and the rest of their cronies. It was a defining moment in our relationship with the town, also proved that their proceedings were illegal and needed to be changed. If we had the money to pursue it then, we could have pursued legal action against them, risking hefty legal fees, would have been great if money was no issue, they deserved it. Funny how in the end the buildings came down and they paid the bill. The administration has changed since, but they are extremely careful in all proceedings now.

I find that the codes, specifications, technical issues and most of the criteria is parallel to what I did in my construction management career, so I do represent clients when they need to deal with these issues, in conjunction with an attorney if need be, as well as feeling out the political climate involved. There are no guarantees any time you have to deal with these issues, but it is in the applicants best interest to be prepared in regards to the local planning board, zoning board and or codes when you need an approval, use variance or whatever the criteria is calling for. I see so many people proceed in such a half haphazard manner, without careful consideration.

I did a somewhat complicated application to a planning board and zoning board for a client last year, whereas the use of the commercial buiding was not defined or classified as it was proposed to be used for the clients business headquarters. Diligent research of their codes paid off, they even accepted my drawings for the site plan, (I'm not a professional designer either) because they met the requirements, client was approved, I delivered a certficate of occupancy to the client shortly after. We appeared in suits and ties, accompanied by legal counsel each time. I had also met with the code director prior to all proceedings. And I noted at these meetings, the people who were completely unprepared, seems these boards sometimes thrive on rejecting as much as they can or adjourn for several more meetings, which can make it a long drawn out process for these people and even those who have large complicated proposals presented by a team of paid professionals.

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Stinky Cheese

08-14-2007 13:39:41




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 Re: Good Day on the Farm in reply to Walt Davies, 08-14-2007 12:22:13  
The government is seldom there to help, unless you are a 3 box individual looking for welfare.



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rrlund

08-14-2007 13:31:01




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 Re: Good Day on the Farm in reply to Walt Davies, 08-14-2007 12:22:13  
You guys need to get a little more involved. I'm no big shot elected official or nothing,but I've got a small appointed position,just enough to get me in the township hall behind closed doors. I've told all the S.O.B.s one at a time that if they ever show up at my place on "official business" they'd better not come alone or nobody will ever find their carcas. Seems to work just fine. My reputation for having a bad temper precedes me.

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Midwest redneck

08-14-2007 13:12:26




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 Re: Good Day on the Farm in reply to Walt Davies, 08-14-2007 12:22:13  
You would think that City government losers would want you to build a house so that they can suck more taxes out you. I tell ya right now the city governments in this country need a kick in the teeth. (especially in my township.)



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yak651

08-14-2007 13:07:01




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 Re: Good Day on the Farm in reply to Walt Davies, 08-14-2007 12:22:13  
I thought i had it bad until I read your story. Finally sold my house (after trying for almost 2 years) so I could build on the 9.5 acres we purchased about 3 years ago. Go to get the septic permit and am told that they passed a new law that they started to enforce 3 months ago, requiring me to get an office storm water run off plan. WTF? The storm water is going to drain into the 9 acres that surronds the house. Well $1,000 latter for the report and $175 for the new permit (not including the $400 septic permit and $1000 building permit) I finally can dig the hole. There's $1,000 I didn't budget for...

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37 chief

08-14-2007 14:27:24




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 Re: Good Day on the Farm in reply to yak651, 08-14-2007 13:07:01  
Storm water run off plan is one I forgot to mention, another big one. I give up Stan



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37 chief

08-14-2007 13:02:05




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 Re: Good Day on the Farm in reply to Walt Davies, 08-14-2007 12:22:13  
When Dad, and Mom passed away they left what is remaining of the farm to my Brother, and myself. I aproached the city on how we could get different deeds on the properity in my Brother's and my name. It was like a open check book with the city first we had to subdivide the properity. New road into the properity, paved road fronting the properity, burried utilities. ariel topo map needed for engineering report. Soils report. the list goes on, and on. It's just not right. The cities are getting too powerful. Years ago Dad could have devided the properity with seperate titles in one day. Too many fat cats trying to feel important. Walt this is a very sore subject for me deeling with these, what you call them wackos that work for the cities. Now the hole thing is on hold until we can find out how to come up with about 350,000.00 to continue. Probably will be my daughters problem when We are gone. stan

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Matt from CT

08-14-2007 13:23:26




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 Re: Good Day on the Farm in reply to 37 chief, 08-14-2007 13:02:05  
My town's pretty mellow -- not pushovers, but to get someone's attention usually takes quite a bit of doing.

One thing we just had to tighten up was multiple houses on a single lot -- we allowed people to build more then one house on a lot, it was intended and used for decades by people either building in-law houses or kid's first houses, and later on they'd subdivide if they had to sell one out of the family.

Developers figured out it was a loophole and started coming in and doing things like building more then the allowed number of houses on a "common driveway", or building gated developments without following the other regulations for a subdivision, and after the houses were built then subdividing the existing buildings.

Somebody had abuse the rules, and now you need a zoning permit for the in-laws.

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