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deer hunting #2 question for you.

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havvey

11-13-2007 20:18:43




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With a low number of deer what could i plant in my hayfield for a deer food crop to entice them in. We do not have grain, corn or wheat farming here. I do not believe in most of those potions they sell, deer lure scent calls etc correct me on this too please. I have heard of everything from turnips carrots clover and so on. I have not seen much of this stuff work.




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Leland

11-14-2007 22:05:38




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to havvey, 11-13-2007 20:18:43  
turnips are a great fall plot choice ,just plant them around labor day



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Michael Soldan

11-14-2007 16:33:49




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to havvey, 11-13-2007 20:18:43  
A block of salt is all you need....



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supergrumpy

11-14-2007 08:32:55




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to havvey, 11-13-2007 20:18:43  
my deer love ripe pumkins just before picking

they also love small oak and maple trees, go way out of their way to eat them

stinking deer are a PITA



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rrlund

11-14-2007 06:31:55




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to havvey, 11-13-2007 20:18:43  
You don't know how lucky you are NOT to have hundreds of those miserable crop destroying pains in the @ss around! I'd pay you handsomely if you could lure them off my place and make sure they'd NEVER come back!



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Billy NY

11-14-2007 06:30:10




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to havvey, 11-13-2007 20:18:43  
It's hard to say what works best in a particular area and I've never thought any specific method is going to perform miracles to lure whitetail deer, at least here anyway.

The deer are creatures of habit, seemingly nocturnal, except after certain weather events, where they might feed in the middle of the day after a storm they've taken cover from.

I've planted imperial whitetail clover, in decent size plots, it gets grazed and maybe I get a little more traffic closer to the stand when I am there, but I think there is a lot more when I'm not. I have a large area planted next to 7 acres of corn, they do like the corn, and feed on that field after it's been harvested. They also seem to like fresh green growth, areas I mowed back in august-september, that returned with short green growth that is there now. This growth seems to be popular, even next to a plot with the clover. They also like the wild apples that are abundant here, many trees producing ones which are sweet enough to eat yourself.

Every area is going to be different, besides getting involved with their feeding, you have to be very diligent about not being detected by them, visually, by scent and noise, or you'll see none, no matter what you have planted. If you plant clover or something palatable during the season, you need to cage off a section and see how it's being grazed, the protected area will show the true growth. I think the clover is a good thing, not hard to maintain and or grow if done right. Not so much on the baiting side here either, they wonder a large area, no you see em, now you don't, when the coyotes are around, they move faster.

At my place there is abundant cover and food, for most of the year, except during the harsh winter months, if there is a lot of snow etc, it's hard on them. I have scrape lines everywhere you look, but I'll tell you, catching a glimpse of these bucks is hard, usually just see younger ones, I like to let them be, other hunters don't do that, so the larger ones are there but not often seen. The meat is better on the 2-3 year old ones, so when they issue doe tags I try to get 2 of those.

Opinions will vary, plant some things they like in areas they are comfortable feeding in, most likely you'll see them a little more if they are around.

Yesterday afternoon I went to my stand, should have went earlier, large doe was standing there between me and my stand, eating the growth from where I mowed.

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Dave from MN

11-14-2007 05:26:55




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to havvey, 11-13-2007 20:18:43  
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Went back and read your previous post before I responded. Well, planting a small food plot with anything will not increase you chances at deer very much, unless you hunt during the night!. You need habitat, natural feed sources, water, bedding areas, shelter( dense woods and thickets). Planting a food plot to hunt over in my opinion is unethical and I (repeat I)consider it baiting, do it for the health of whatever herd you have but remember deer have survived for a very long time with out the current trend of "foodplots". If you want bigger bucks and have an area of smaller parcels the landowners and the hunters in that area need to commit to NOT harvesting the smaller bucks. Big bucks dont just get there by feeding them, they have to be able to make it to their 3rd and 4th year or longer. Most guys shoot everything they see with antlers which really cuts down the potential to harvest a decent buck. Note, a buck with goofy antlers does not always mean it should be culled, it may have just been injured and have very good genetics to pass on! Make a habit if nothing else to never shoot a buck who's antler's are equel or less than the width of their ears at an alert position. Good habitat and selective buck harvest will increase you odds. The pics are mine from last fall and a freinds from this fall, there are a number of this size running around now due to local restraint, hard to pass the smaller ones for a few year's but then you will eventually see more in this class!

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KRUSS1

11-14-2007 12:31:53




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to Dave from MN, 11-14-2007 05:26:55  
Dave, I also agree that you should shoot does rather than small bucks, lots of people agree. What they don't agree on is who should do it, and the definition of a small buck. Neither one of the bucks you showed would be considered fantastic in many areas (good, yes but certainly not B and C record breakers). Maybe those would have been if left another year? Maybe they would have been been killed on the highway, who knows.

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Dave from MN

11-14-2007 13:25:28




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to KRUSS1, 11-14-2007 12:31:53  
Understood, these are bucks we are seeing quite often now if you spend the time in the stand, these by no means are the largest around here, the largest are smarter than we. Boone and Crocket I am not after, if it happens, cool, these bucks are just fine each had signs of recent Arse whooping, so we know the big boys are there, somewhere.



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8N'r--WI

11-14-2007 06:42:17




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to Dave from MN, 11-14-2007 05:26:55  
Dave---you write:

"If you want bigger bucks and have an area of smaller parcels the landowners and the hunters in that area need to commit to NOT harvesting the smaller bucks."

How true--my farm is in an area like you describe that produces some huge buck every year. Habitat is the real key, water, food, shelter, cover and arrangement will produce the deer.--and of course, letting the 1 1/2 yr. old deer go.

However, not all of the neighbors are selective on what they shoot. Most of them are "meat hunters" (I love venison myself) who can basically shoot as many does as they want. I wish they would let some of the smaller bucks go, and harvest the does for their meat cravings.....

IMHO---Tim

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Tradititonal Farmer

11-14-2007 04:25:50




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to havvey, 11-13-2007 20:18:43  
If you live south of the Mason-Dixon nothing is better to plant than a mixture of blackeye peas and soybeans.Deer here never touch mustard greens.Wheat,rye and barley will bring them in after grasses have died back.Way too many deer here.I think about 40-50 were killed here on my farm last year and still have too many.Problem is way too many landowners around me don't allow hunting.



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JBMac

11-14-2007 03:42:29




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to havvey, 11-13-2007 20:18:43  
Roy is right, they love late season iron-clay peas or cow peas. Depending on where your at, oats, rye and members of the brassica family are good too.



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hayray

11-13-2007 23:42:07




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to havvey, 11-13-2007 20:18:43  
where are you at that you have low deer numbers? In some of my hay fields it is like some one turned a couple head of cattle out. The come into my fields of alfalfa and trefoil like crazy. Once everything browns up they go to whatever is green that is usually the grasses that stay green longer. Right now we still have a lot of green. I have a field of turnips and the deer are not even touching it, but they probably will once we start getting a little snow.

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farmerweber in PA

11-13-2007 23:23:17




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to havvey, 11-13-2007 20:18:43  
The SOB's love sweet corn.Was ready to start crop damage control about the time the corn was done.But they like clover and alfalfa too.



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Eric SEI

11-14-2007 12:36:27




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to farmerweber in PA, 11-13-2007 23:23:17  
They ate my green beans and tomatoes too this year.

In Indiana there are special permit hunts in many of the state parks in order to save the vegetation from all the deer. It was on the news that in Cincinnati the police are shooting deer in the city parks 2 days a week and giving the meat to charity in order to save the plants and nearby expressway.



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Eric SEI

11-14-2007 12:36:22




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to farmerweber in PA, 11-13-2007 23:23:17  
They ate my green beans and tomatoes too this year.

In Indiana there are special permit hunts in many of the state parks in order to save the vegetation from all the deer. It was on the news that in Cincinnati the police are shooting deer in the city parks 2 days a week and giving the meat to charity in order to save the plants and nearby expressway.



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kyhayman

11-13-2007 21:36:05




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to havvey, 11-13-2007 20:18:43  
I've always found the deer browsing things that stay green into the hunting season. Wheat and other small grains seem to do well, as does alfalfa in a normal year. That doesnt do much though to build the total herd. Deer browse, they prefer to eat on the move. Brush, transition zones, etc all do more for the herd than either tall timber or open fields. We have two farms 8 miles apart, one farm in open farming country and the other in an area filled with 5 acre baby farms. Deer are much thicker where the baby farms are. This year the herd here is WAY down.

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35A

11-13-2007 21:19:31




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to havvey, 11-13-2007 20:18:43  
I wish you guys would come to central Ohio and take them all home in freezer bags. They take a toll on corn fields, fences, and the front end of cars. In a 6 mile stretch along our 2 lane state route, there must be 12 or more laying along the road.To me, they are just giant rats. Kill em all !!



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Sagebrusher

11-14-2007 05:20:05




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to 35A, 11-13-2007 21:19:31  
Sure would like to trade infestations with you. Around Idaho its all the transplanted refugees from other states and countries. They are thicker than whats left of our game animals and four legged varmints.

They destroy the farmland and we have to keep building new schools, roads and jails for them after they move here.



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35A

11-14-2007 06:23:21




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to Sagebrusher, 11-14-2007 05:20:05  
At least we have a gun season, a bow season, a muzzle loader season to deal with the unwanted creatures. When you get the two legged type from the government, you're stuck with them. A local high school near by has 28 different languages! The group from Africa are at war with the others all the time and they have police stationed at the school every day.I wish they would locate them near our gov. officials homes, and then see how many more they want to let in!! We've never been to Idaho, but we'd like to some day. Best Regards Lewie

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old

11-13-2007 21:07:13




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to havvey, 11-13-2007 20:18:43  
Most any lagumes work well. Clovers are good. Been doing that for years and it helps my hay crop plus the deer.



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Bill(Wis)

11-13-2007 20:34:18




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to havvey, 11-13-2007 20:18:43  
Deer are rumens and basically are designed to digest whatever cows, goats, etc do. They have a taste for quality hay such as clover, alfalfa, etc. You mention a hay field so you should be able to get some nice tender legumes to grow for them. Around here, we grow mostly corn, alfalfa and soybeans. They much prefer alfalfa to corn. Soybeans hardly at all but will eat brush if they have to. I'm talking whitetail.

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Roy in georgia

11-13-2007 20:30:36




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 Re: deer hunting #2 question for you. in reply to havvey, 11-13-2007 20:18:43  
A blend works well something that can grow late in the season turnips,mustard,clover,and my favorite is some type of bean or pea. Of course you will have to pick something that will stand up to the cool or cold temps. until it gets too cold for anything to grow.We put out corn and mineral blocks salt licks in the off season then plant food plots near that to keep the deer in after the season gets close then remove the non growing stuff and plant there for a late plot to have the deer travel to us.18 deer killed at the deer camp I visit that I help do this.

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