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batteries- what to buy

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Dave from MN

12-08-2007 07:48:04




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Went to start the 544D this am, and it just grunted and laughed at me. I have 2 werker 6volts, I am guessing 650 CCA or so, biggest physically that would fit in the holders. Any one have a recommendation GOOD batteries. A neighbor, in his 90's, who is an IH and Oliver fan, swears by John Deere Batts. Can any one give me some pros and cons , or options, on battert warmers. I need to upgrade, what with all this warm weather from global warming ya know.

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JerryNTx

12-13-2007 16:22:08




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
A battery disconnect switch prolongs battery life especially in seldom used equipment.



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Pitalplace

12-08-2007 13:13:18




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to 135 Fan, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
I just took a eight year old Walmart out of the wife's Ram Charger. Will just use one of them again.



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Steven f/AZ

12-08-2007 09:22:04




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
As far as industrial batteries, my father-in-law swears by Caterpillar and has had good service and excellent warranty from the local dealer...



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Steven f/AZ

12-08-2007 08:20:12




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
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I am sold on Optima batteries. The 6-volt red top in my H has 800 CCA and 1000 cranking amps. It will spin it over just as fast as a 12 volt battery.

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You pay more in the beginning, but these spiral cell sealed batteries simply out-perform and out-last conventional lead-acid batteries.

Be sure that you have 0/1 gauge battery cables with soldered ends (not crimped!) and that all the connections are clean and shiny. Even if you switch to two 12-volt batteries your cranking amps will be about the same depending on which batteries you buy.

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buickanddeere

12-09-2007 06:35:18




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Steven f/AZ, 12-08-2007 08:20:12  
Notice folks the properly routed chassis return cable. It's bolted to the starter body rather than to some thin rusty sheet metal on the opposite end of the tractor.



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buickanddeere

12-08-2007 19:29:46




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
AGM style battery



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TomTex

12-08-2007 18:28:20




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
I have used many brands. Bad experience with Delco. Terrible experience with Douglas. Bad experience with Interstate. Excellent experience with batteries made by East Penn Manufacturing. They make Deka. and last time I checked made the batteries sold at ORiellys parts stores. I have got a Deka in my 1999 Miller Bobcat Welder. Never had a minutes problems, still hot as a firecracker. And they are really NO maintenance, sealed up, can't add water, etc. Don't corrode up the connections and battery top. Tom

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Andy Motteberg

12-08-2007 11:26:39




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
NAPA, Interstate and Die Hard are real good batteries. I've had the best luck with NAPA batteries.



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Bob From Paradise

12-08-2007 11:19:52




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
Delco from talking to a Delco dealer is only delphi with the delco name applied to it.

Delphi became a separate publicly-traded company in May 1999, and continued to use the Delco Electronics name for several of its subsidiaries through approximately 2004.
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HAVVEY

12-08-2007 10:58:00




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
forgot to add delco and motocraft are very good but can't buy them here.



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Jim Johnson

12-08-2007 10:47:04




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
I've been using Odyssey batteries. 1500 CCA down to 850 after 15 seconds, but they are expensive. It's all the military uses I'm told, after they take delivery they change them out. I don't know if they make a 6 volt.

Jim



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RodInNS

12-08-2007 10:39:05




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
Delco here.... and nothing else if I can help it. I've had the private label stuff made by Exide and I can ASSURE you, they ARE CRAP. They've made them for Ford/NewHolland for a good many years. They're OK but I wouldn't call them long life. The FleetSaver's (gr 31's) that I've had in the truck die in 2-3 years. I've got a set of Delco's in there now for about 4 years and had another set of Delco 31's last for 14 years in a dozer... That's about all the proof I need. They're about 20 bucks more than the cheap Exide...

Rod

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Roy Suomi

12-08-2007 09:43:51




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
Back years ago I changed out 2 batteries from a Cat road grader..The old batteries were Douglas batteries..The one that was good , I stuck in my '85 Chevy C-30 service truck..I ran it 8 years plus who-knows how old it was before I got it??? I was impressed..Can't find anyone that handles them in NE Ohio..My F-600 will probably need one in the spring...Gonna look again...



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suptscottyb

12-08-2007 16:09:33




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Roy Suomi, 12-08-2007 09:43:51  
Roy, you'll find douglas batteries here:

http://www.douglasbattery.com/



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Red Dave

12-08-2007 09:30:35




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
I've had good experiences with Deka batteries. Both 6 and 12 volt. I had a 6 volt in a tractor that lasted 10 years. I don't know if they are a regional or a national brand.



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1936

12-08-2007 09:20:10




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
Bought a truck 1999 with a new pink bunny battery like on the TV in it and still standing tall at zero degrees starting. Walmart has dropped back from 1000 CCA batteries to 870 CCA. I buy the three warrenty battery at walmart and take them back just before the 3 years is up and get a new one for the winter. Work's! Clerks care less if it is dead.



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flashback

12-08-2007 21:08:41




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to 1936, 12-08-2007 09:20:10  
not any more!!! All walmart stores are getting battery testers and if a clerk doesnt test the battery he pays for the replacement. Just went thru that last week



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Rusty wheel

12-08-2007 09:06:58




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
In reply to batteries, I think Exide batteries are as good as you can get. Gould brand is also a good choice. Strongbox is JDs battery name and I believe they are made by Exide. Have you been a good boy? Maybe Santa will bring you one or two. Merry Christmas..... ....RW



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HAVVEY

12-08-2007 09:01:16




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
Well here they won't warrenty interstate for crap. Napa, walmart and sams club are ok for summer or for a car. Havent had any luck with there commercial ones. Going to excide now. I remember the die hard problem mentioned and never bought one since. Never dealt with deere batteries. Bottom line get something that has a dealer next to you it stinks to drive 2 hours to get warrenty only to be told they won't honor it because of yada yada. Keep all papers and tags as it seems there all getting tough on warrenty. The latest scam here is an outfit will sell a battery brand (off brand) for a while then go out of it and not warrenty it as they are not a dealer and the nearest one is 5 counties away.

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iowa_tire_guy

12-08-2007 16:26:34




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to HAVVEY, 12-08-2007 09:01:16  
Too bad they don't warranty Interstate batteries there. I sell them and never have a problem. Even bend the rules to make a customer happy. I could get a good deal on Exide but have seen too many problems. Hardware store next door sells them and warranties many of them. I don't know why he messes with them.



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jdemaris

12-08-2007 08:47:03




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
John Deere has switched battery manufacturers many times over the years. Some good, and some have been crap. Right now, Exide makes all their Strongbox batteries - and for that reason alone, I'd never buy one. I've had many problems with Exide over the years. So did Sears. Exide had made their Diehard line for a few years - and Sears had so many failures they sued Exide. NAPA also had a problem and subsequently, took on a new company (Deka I think). Maybe now, Exide is making something good - but I've been burned enough to stay away from anything they make.

If you can fit automotive batteries in - you're better off since they have a much better warranty - regardless of brand.

In regard to cold temps - any conventional flooded lead-acid loses half its cranking capacity at zero degrees.

In regard to 6 volt versus 12 volt - generally speaking, there is no difference. But, many 6 volt batteries tend to have thicker plates than same-sized 12 volt automotive batteries and tend to last longer. And, some of the 6 volt battery connections must carry more amperage and are therefore more critical to corrosion. THere are of course thicker-plate 12 volt batteries available - but they cost more and - once rated industrial - the warranties are short.

For the past couple of years, I've been using Walmart batteries made by Johnson Controls in all my diesels and they've held up fine, so far. My oldest are going on 5 years. But, I can't say for sure that they sell the same batteries every year.

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suptscottyb

12-08-2007 08:18:39




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
John Deere batteries are made by strongbox. You see their product line here:
http://www.deere.com/en_US/parts/partsinfo/batteries/batteries_index.html



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Bob

12-08-2007 08:29:45




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 Exide? in reply to suptscottyb, 12-08-2007 08:18:39  
Actually, isn't "Strongbox" just DEERE's trademark for the batteries?

Last I heard, they were made by EXIDE, to DEERE "specs".



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Tradititonal Farmer

12-08-2007 08:01:31




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 Re: batteries- what to buy in reply to Dave from MN, 12-08-2007 07:48:04  
I usually rerun the battery cables and use 2 12 volts instead of the 6 volts.12V are cheaper and last longer in my opinion.Advance Auto better batteries come with a 3 year 100% replacement and they will honor the warranty.I'm running 2 now with 1000 CCA each in an Oliver 1650D and have been in the tractor 4 years and still crank just fine.



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