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Floyd A tn

01-06-2008 07:37:18




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www.farmland.org

I have been a member for about 8 months. I think they are trying their best to help save the farmers and farm land.




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Texas Sand

01-06-2008 17:17:24




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Floyd A tn, 01-06-2008 07:37:18  
I man told me the other day that the reason we get subsidies is that in the 30's there was talk of farmers grouping together as a union and gaining a lot of control of market prices and what/when things were produced. Government and the general public did not want to see this happen so laws were passed making such a group illegal, in return farmers were granted subsidies and price guarantees. Anyone know the facts or truth about this? If it is true then people need to shut the gripping about farmers getting the subsidies or they could be paying a lot more for food.

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CaseChev

01-06-2008 13:01:20




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Floyd A tn, 01-06-2008 07:37:18  
Some thoughts. I think that there seems to be an over-riding opinion that certain people were born with a "right to farm". Sadly, farmers are having to deal with the same things non-farmers have to deal with every day. My small farm town used to have three hardware stores, five grocery stores, four car dealerships, four tractor dealerships and ten taverns.

All the people who were in those businesses had to adapt and change when their operations became obselete or non-competitive. None of them ever spoke of a "right" or "heritage" which guaranteed that they could earn their living in a certain industry.

And, these businesses didn't all close because the farms all got bigger with less farmers, they closed because the business model no longer worked.

Also, the fanciest trucks and SUV's in my town are driven by farmers not the regular working guys in the community. I just shake my head as I'm working on my old Case tractor and I see a local farmer running to the John Deere dealer for parts in the middle of harvest driving his pearl white Chevrolet Avalanche with $4,000 pimp wheels on it.

And just to make one last point, you don't feed me. My family and I work very hard to earn money to BUY our food. And yes, a discussion for another day may well be the fact that we should all agree to pay more for our food if it would mean a reduction in our taxes.

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georgeky

01-06-2008 23:08:29




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Spook, 01-06-2008 16:25:16  
I have never recieved any check from the government, and have paid for my place by the sweat of my brow. I happened to have 500 acre of fairly good timber that saved my place. Of course the gov't took their share right off the top of that. Timber tax they called it, and it was substantial.

No doubt some of these big farmers, which many are corporate owned nowdays have and are recieving big checks. Me and many others are not. So you can not lump all farmers into the same boat.

I raise 15 acres of tobacco, have 90 cows, and do custom work and sell hay to make it during the summer season. I only get paid when I sell my crop which I sold about 2/3 of it in November, and the rest sells next week. Other than what the calves bring in October that is it. I have to manage my little jag of money to live on, pay all farm bills, taxes, and keep my old junk running.

I do have the right to make a living on what I have worked all my life to pay for. No one gave me a farm or money to buy, maintain, or operate it with. I have taken a 50 cent per pound pay cut on tobacco, so you also can't tell me about adapting to meet my commitments, I have been there and am doing it.

Everything I buy fuel, fertilize, seed, baling twine, medicine,groceries and on and on is going up at a steady pace. Do I not deserve to have the price of what I sell to go up in return. That is all I ask. I do not want one nickel that I don't earn on my own. I have never applied for any help from anyone. So cry that nonsense to someone who does.

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hayray

01-06-2008 15:01:58




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to CaseChev, 01-06-2008 13:01:20  
I gotta agree with ya. I grew up on a small farm and had to start my business on my own, not the old fashion way of inheriting it from mommy and daddy, and I run into alot of these other farmers from these big cash grain farmers around me that feel they are entitled to the right and I am not because I had to start my own farm from scratch. The large farmers around me are rich from the hundreds of thousands of dollars of goverment handouts, and with this phony ethenol industry it just keeps getting better for those folks. It just shows that welfare from the goverment only creats a more of a welfare class. I for one would love to see the welfare stop and go for the free market. I also love shopping at Wal-Mart.

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JT

01-06-2008 14:25:08




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to CaseChev, 01-06-2008 13:01:20  
If farmers do not "feed you" just where do you think the commodities that make the food you eat comes from, just falls from the sky??? you think that thick steak you ate for supper last night just fell into the grocery store??? I just went out looking for a loaf of bread to fall from the sky, none there, I guess I need to go to the store and buy a loaf with the wheat some farmer raised and hopes he gets paid enough to get the money to do it all again next year. And for this, I thank you!!! Jim

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georgeky

01-06-2008 13:39:47




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to CaseChev, 01-06-2008 13:01:20  
As with the farms, you can thank corporate giants like Wal-Mart for the close of small family operated business's. I bet you even buy from Wal-Mart. When big business that is only concerned with the bottom line moves in everything is in jepordy. Remember you get what you pay for. I drive a 1978 Chevt oick up when it runs. Farm with thos old antique tractors you mentioned as well as lots of other folks. Lots of them that you see buying those old tractors is because they can't afford a new one. I know lots of farmers, and what few have money, have old money or got it somewhere besides farming.

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CaseChev

01-06-2008 14:13:48




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to georgeky, 01-06-2008 13:39:47  
George, finally we agree and I think we may have more in common than you think. First, the farm sales I am talking about are in Wi. Il. Ia. Ne. Ks.Mo. vs. what you may be seeing. Also, I can tell the differance between someone buying an older tractor to supplement his farming vs. paying $3,100 for an Allis Chalmers G unrestored with special cultivators to "fill out his collection". Also, I refuse to shop a WalMart nor will I support any family member spending money there.

I am very consistent. I will pay more for my food in order to have food choices and I will go to hardware store vs. Walmart and maybe pay more because I do support the small guy. What I do not support is the government making the choice for me by taking my money thru taxes to prop up already wealthy farmers or other businesses.

And, yes, I must agree, I have a better truck than you. I finally had to take my old faithful '78 Chev 3/4 4WD to the scrap yard with a tear in my eye. There was just no body left. What a great workhorse. I replaced it with an '87 that is not quite as badly rusted.

And yes, the guy with the fancy truck is 3rd generation farmer who is firm in his belief that my tax money should continue to support his "right to farm" like his daddy and grandfather did.

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CaseChev

01-06-2008 11:28:57




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Floyd A tn, 01-06-2008 07:37:18  
Sorry guys, I'm not sure this dog will hunt. As a city dweller, I am taxed to death and my dream of owning 40ac. in my retirement are fading. At the same time, my community wants to increase my taxes in order to start a fund to buy up development rights to farmland adjoining our community. I'm sorry but when I see these farms they are not exactly starving and in fact all indications are that this has been a fantastic year for dramatic increases in net worth for most farming operations.

Sadly, the same government that farmers have enjoyed being in bed with as long as all the supports were coming is now in some places wanting to encroach upon what they do with their land adjoining communities. Strange bedfellows.

Again, I have a hard time feeling sorry for a farm family who owns 180ac adjacent to a town and has watched their land value go from $300ac to $30,000ac. as developers compete to buy their farm. What always seems left out of these stories is the fact that you don't have to sell your land if you chose not to. Most mainstream media stories make it sound somehow like some evil person is taking the land away from the farmeers.

At the last several farm auctions I have attended, I have watched in awe as starving farmers bid on antique and collectable tractors, trucks and machinery and competed with each other to pay sky high prices for items needing total restoration.

And then the real revelation comes as the neighboring farmers bid outlandish amounts for the land itself.

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HENRY E NC

01-06-2008 12:33:48




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to CaseChev, 01-06-2008 11:28:57  
After reading all the posts below I still think the independant farmer has a tou8gh way to go. All you city dwellers get up, go to work, get a mortgage drive nice cars etc but you don't have to manage the business end, you get a salary for showing up, bonuses at the end of the year, get your snow plowed by the city, buy city water and sewer(What happens when the farmers well stops working,,) etc. I grew up on a farm and when it was sold out from under me I was devastated. Most Farmers are 3or more generations and they work 14 hours a day most days and on in finitum. City people who want 40 acres wouldnt know what to do with it anyhow so just remember the food and soon the fuel is all due to the farmer and praise him. Also, I collect old tractors and I will bet that what I have in vehicles would not even buy you a new car. It is simply a hobby that connects you to the past when farmers were respected for their hard work. There. Henry

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Stinky Cheese

01-06-2008 12:13:07




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to CaseChev, 01-06-2008 11:28:57  
Don't go calling me when you get hungry, you and millions of other people can just starve for a while as far as I am concerned. Maybe that ain`t too christian, but that`s the way I feel about people who don`t appreciate the food they enjoy. And they enjoy it in America far cheaper than anywhere else in the world.



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rodgernbama

01-06-2008 17:26:54




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Stinky Cheese, 01-06-2008 12:13:07  
Don't stop putting out food. I know where it comes from as my granddad farmed when I was a kid.
The small family farms are fast disappearing which won't be good for the consumer. I for one appreciate the farmer.



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georgeky

01-06-2008 12:03:05




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to CaseChev, 01-06-2008 11:28:57  
What planet have you been living on. All us farmres don't want to sell our land. We just want to make a decent living for our families. Try paying for machinery, operating expenses, labor, interest on the money we have to borrow in order to plant another crop. You are very misinformed. You should pay my bills for a while and then cry. Not to mention the fact that farming is just like playing poker. One bad crop can break you and send you straight to the poor house.

The gov't has not done anything to help me. In fact they have seen to it that I now sell my crops for quite a bit less than I did just 4 years ago. When you city dwellers get hungry, it will be a different story. The trouble now is to many city dwellers are setting policy for the rural families of this country. We have no say in anything now days.

My bills would make your head spin. I would trade taxes with you. City dwellers with a dream of owning 40 acres are the primary reason for farm taxes going up. The gov't now wants to assess land as to what it would be worth if subdivided and houses built all over it.This increases the tax base for city dwellers to benefit from.

This tax increase along with a bad year has caused many rich farmers as you seem to think have to sell their land.

Stay in the city, as I don't want you for a neighbor.

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KYfarm

01-06-2008 11:44:07




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to CaseChev, 01-06-2008 11:28:57  
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see the problem with land going from 300/ac to $30,000/ac is that the farmer is still trying to scratch out a living on the same land, but his property taxes are going up each year driving him out of business.

Then since you only see that 180/ac as a cash deal if they were to sell it, the nearly entirety of the procedes would be a capital gain and again get taxed by the gov't like crazy. So what is this family supposed to do after selling, take their money and move to the city and do what stare at a TV?

Putting generations of work into a piece of land, just to sell it is not the american dream and I can assure you that I will have the last farm in Spencer Co. KY! When all that beautiful land around me is gone, I'll just be an island of farm land inside all those cookie cutter developments, they'll have to pry my deed from my cold dead hands

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kyplowboy

01-06-2008 18:22:15




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to KYfarm, 01-06-2008 11:44:07  
What farm said. I will be an island aswell. I have to work at night so I can farm durring the day. I have raise 7000lbs of tobacco, 60 acres of corn/beans and have 30 momma cows. 50 years ago my grandfather raised 8 kids on less than that.



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georgeky

01-06-2008 12:05:02




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to KYfarm, 01-06-2008 11:44:07  
Amen!!



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Steven f/AZ

01-06-2008 09:45:36




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to bradley martin, 01-06-2008 07:37:18  
I'd love to see pictures of the stand required to get 120 bushel wheat!



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IaGary

01-06-2008 14:14:24




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Steven f/AZ, 01-06-2008 09:45:36  
Steve there has been 140 bu wheat around here.

But there has been more years where it was 50 to 70.

Gary



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dirt farmer 2

01-06-2008 12:34:51




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Steven f/AZ, 01-06-2008 09:45:36  
i will find the pics of last years crop we spin on the seed 3 bushel to the acre and dry fert late winter the last 4 years we have had 100+ wheat.



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pa dave

01-06-2008 08:03:46




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Floyd A tn, 01-06-2008 07:37:18  
in our area there is so much ground in the CREP program its making it very hard for the small guys to lease ground to farm. lancaster farming magazine had a article that stated that U.S. has 30 millon acres in gov't programs being payed not to be farmed, seams our goverment is more interested in importing food [beef from south america, veal from canada, veges from mexico, ect] than supporting small farms, just my two cents

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rrlund

01-06-2008 09:16:27




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to pa dave, 01-06-2008 08:03:46  
I don't know that the government had a gun to anybody's head to get them to sign up. Most just went in because they could get more "rent" from the government. With commodity prices and demand for land being what it is,I doubt much of it will be renewed when it comes out. Secretary of ag just says that for now,none will be released early. If mass amounts were released,commodity prices would suffer.

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Dirt Farmer 2

01-06-2008 07:54:50




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Floyd A tn, 01-06-2008 07:37:18  
I am 20 years old been farming since i was in 8th grade. Started out with 40 acres, now me and my brother are up to 800 and have decided to call it quits.We have had 3 drought years in a row where we are at. So now we are selling the equipment. It is funny everyone wants young farmers in the mix of things and to do well but nobody where we are located will rent to us because we are so young.This year we broke 120 bushel wheat,275 bushel corn, and 50 bushel beans on average. But i guess that doesn't change peoples minds on young farmers around here. They will still tell me I am to young to be farming and farming there ground.

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bradk

01-06-2008 10:41:04




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Dirt Farmer 2, 01-06-2008 07:54:50  
That whole paragraph doesn't make any sense.Those aren't drought figures.Not even close.

We have pretty darn good soil in SE MN and we averaged 214 corn in '07 which is pretty respectable.



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flying belgian

01-06-2008 10:03:20




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Dirt Farmer 2, 01-06-2008 07:54:50  
With yields like that and comodity prices where there at you should be able to pay $300/acre rent. Around here if you flash $300 around you will get all the land you want. Does not matter what your age is. I sence you are stretching yields and with that you are only fooling yourself.



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IaGary

01-06-2008 09:55:20




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Dirt Farmer 2, 01-06-2008 07:54:50  
If you are 20 and up to 800 acres what more do you want?

I was 40 before I got over 500.

If during a drought you still get 275 bu corn and corn is 4.00 you should be doing OK.

What else happened that you are getting out?

Something don't add up here.

Don't give up now. If 800 ain't enough land you may need to take some work at an off farm job.

I had a off farm job for 20 years as well as raising hogs and cattlee to raise my 4 daughters and put them thru college.

Hang in there.

Gary

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davpal

01-06-2008 10:21:30




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to IaGary, 01-06-2008 09:55:20  
Doesn't make much sense does it Gary? With yields like that every landowner in his area should be beating a path to his door and farming on shares with him. I would be more that willing to let this place get farmed by somebody that was that good. Something not adding up when you can grow 275 bushel corn and 120 bushel wheat in a drought. Guy should be doing fantastic.



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low budget

01-06-2008 08:13:09




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Dirt Farmer 2, 01-06-2008 07:54:50  
Hey, Dirt Farmer. I hear you about it being tough for young farmers. I grew a beard to make myself look older. Sure dont need it now.:>) Dont give up.



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John B. NE Ind.

01-06-2008 08:12:15




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Dirt Farmer 2, 01-06-2008 07:54:50  
We don't get those kinds of numbers around here. With the price of grain this year and your figures, you should be making a some profit. Why quit now?



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Old Ford Mechanic

01-06-2008 09:39:37




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to John B. NE Ind., 01-06-2008 08:12:15  
I hope you meant 175 bushel corn.With yeilds like you are reporting you could get all the ground you want to rent here.At twenty years old and experience under your belt if you can make it at all stay and try longer.At 800 acres and two people,both of you should have outside jobs for your main source of income and health insurance.You are young enough to do this awhile and build your farm operation.If your in too deep too soon then,scale back a bit and give youself a little more time.In spite of what some will say,bigger is not always better.Good luck.

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Floyd A tn

01-06-2008 07:41:12




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Goose, 01-06-2008 07:37:18  
See if this link will work.

http://www.farmland.org/



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meadedairy

01-06-2008 08:32:04




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 Re: Help save american farmlands in reply to Floyd A tn, 01-06-2008 07:41:12  
sounds more like a CRAP program. But you know its like here in Virginia, all these people wanted something for nothing and signed up for the government programs dealt with the FSA office and took some grants for soil conservation. Government paid to dig wells and build fence and feed lot barns. Then guess what happened???? EPA come to help the smart people out, and they find they are obligated to the government for fifteen years, they cant even plow a garden. Glad I kept my land out of that crap.

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