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How NOT to insall a tractor-shed (many photos)

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jdemaris

01-14-2008 16:01:23




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Well, the story goes like this. I build all my own buildings usually - and do so rock solid - but it takes time and is expensive. I've always got more equipment than buildings. During the past year or so, there's a crew of mexicans that comes around and installs steel car-port type sheds - and installs them cheaper than I can buy one in parts. $1300 installed for a 24' long by 28" wide, overheight shed. In a weak moment, I bought two since I hate leaving tractors out in rain and snow.

So, the crew shows up late-summer. Two guys - neither speaks a bit of English. I was trying to ask how they plan on anchoring these things - but I don't speak Spanish - they don't speak English - so I got nowhere with my questions. I let them do their thing. I did watch one guy drive four-foot long iron stakes at an angle into the ground for anchors.
They got done and left. Looked pretty good. One shed is down low and protected from wind and has three tractors in it. The other is right next to my new almost-finished barn that has 5400 watts of solar panels on the roof and six tractors and two trucks inside. This new "Mexican" shed is only fifty feet away. Long story short - came home one day and found it upside down. At the time - my Ford diesel pickup and big ugly backhoe were parked inside. Building came clear off and blew away without putting a scratch on anthing. Tore some anchors out of the ground and ripped some others in half.
The building looks like a tinker-toy - but it's pretty heavy. It was quite a job to pull it back over and get it back into place without completely ruining it. Now, it's a stinking mess - but the roof still stops the rain and snow. This spring - I'll have to find a way to permanently anchor it. I might run chains along the bottom and pour a concrete pad over them. For now - the big Pettibone backhoe and my Deere 1010 crawler loader are parked inside and the building it's chained to them.

I guess I'm lucky the thing didn't land on my solar panels. There's over $20,000 worth and my homeowners insurance does not cover them.

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Bob Kerr

01-15-2008 11:17:53




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 Re: How NOT to insall a tractor-shed (many photos) in reply to jdemaris, 01-14-2008 16:01:23  
Oh boy, not good! I would say concrete anchors next time. I had one of those old cheap metal garden sheds given to me one so I took it to the farm. I noticed thwe wind would blow the door open once in a while. One day after a huge storm with high winds I went up to check on the place and the shed was gone!The wind must have blown open the door and turned it into a parachute. I found it a 100 yds away in the woods on the other side of the barn. Must hae gone 50ft plus up in the air when it went as it cleared the barn roof. It didn"t survive the landing well at all. All the stuff inside was untouched and still on the shelves outside of being wet from the rain. Funny thing is I didn"t even notice it gone at first, saw all the stuff sitting on the ground like I left it, DUHHH!

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Tim...Ok

01-15-2008 04:30:49




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 Re: How NOT to insall a tractor-shed (many photos) in reply to jdemaris, 01-14-2008 16:01:23  
my oldest brother had one of those blow over also,his cleared his cars parked under it,but hit the house..did some serious damage..anyway,I went inside of it after we got it back in place and used my post hole digger to dig 8 holes..we then set mobile home anchors in concrete..so far it has stayed put thru some strong storms..

Tim



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NE IA

01-14-2008 20:11:07




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 Re: How NOT to insall a tractor-shed (many photos) in reply to jdemaris, 01-14-2008 16:01:23  
Done a few of them, rather I should say I have redone a few. Set it in place and level it with whatever you have. At each junction of their rafters dig a post hole as close as possible with a tractor mounted post hole digger. After you get done take a shovel and under mine the building junction. Some have holes drilled where they anchor them with a oversized (just kiddin) 3/8 in by two foot rebar. Drop in a long bolt with a big washer and nut on very top. Pout full of cement and tighten the nuts a little after a day ot two. A 30 x 80 takes 2 men 5 man hrs each to dig and pour. The last one we had a additional 2 1/2 hrs times 2 men to pull it back in place because it was twisted. We used a metal banding tool for pulling it back. We left the bands on till the concrete was cured.

The insurance companies are going to put a stop to them is what a few of the adjusters have said. Some have with the tarp ones more so than the total metal quancet ones.

I get somewhat upset as my building designs are to expensive, but I always get the bid on fixing the blow aways the next day after a storm. Seems it is very important to get there right away as another storm may make it worse and I'm to let a good customer sit and wait while I do the redo's on the blow aways. So far I have always got right on them, but it ticks me off, but who can realy blame them for trying to save a few dollars. I live in a small comunity and all are friends, but none of them so far worry about the peice of redoing them. Usualy their deductable and the high risk name costs them more than the building did in the first place.

Like a old guy I used to work for say's you can't afford to ever do it right the first time, but when you redo it ya sure can find the time to do it rightsomehow.

I should mention that we intentionaly leave a little loose dirt in the bottom of the post holes so the concrete will settle and pull downward even more. I'm not even sure it is a good idea, but so far it hasn't hurt anything.

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john *.?-!.* cub owner

01-14-2008 19:50:56




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 Re: How NOT to insall a tractor-shed (many photos) in reply to jdemaris, 01-14-2008 16:01:23  
I hav3 one of those that has survived dome pretty bad windstorms, but it has 4 mobile home style anchors holding it down.



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JK-NY

01-14-2008 19:01:26




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 Re: How NOT to insall a tractor-shed (many photos) in reply to jdemaris, 01-14-2008 16:01:23  
Glad to hear no vehicle or solar panel damage was incurred. We had alot of wind here west of you last week too. One of my neighbors had a similar building put up , a little smaller but with sides and a very light steel overhead door. From what he described, it could have been the same crew that built yours. His building is behind another building and in the edge of the woods so it is quite sheltered from wind. I wondered how it would hold up if a tree or large branch fell on it. It is put together with self tapping screws.

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jdemaris

01-15-2008 06:04:23




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 Re: How NOT to insall a tractor-shed (many photos) in reply to JK-NY, 01-14-2008 19:01:26  
Well, I'm kind of mad at myself because I know better. Anything I build myself is well anchored five feet down. But - since I rarely ever pay anyone to do anything - and I DID pay for these to be installed - I got lazy. They drove in some pretty long anchors into hardpan. They are made from cast-iron re-rod and most snapped in two.

I've got one building in a sheltered area and it was fine during the windstorm. The one that blew over is in the windiest spot on my property. Even when in place, nothing stays dry inside of it since all rain and snow comes in sideways. I was just trying to hold off until Spring and then I was going to close three walls and anchor it.

I wouldn't be surprised if your friends had the same guys do his shed. They didn't speak a lick of English and drove a Ford diesel F series truck and trailer with North Carolina license plates. The building was the heaviest-duty rating that could be ordered from them - with heavier gauge steel and extra bracing - but even so - it's just held together with little self-tapping screws.

It got cold and snowed two days after they installed it - that's why I put off doing more work to it until spring. Had I been smart - I would of chained it to my equipment like it is now.

By the way - to the two Mexican (or Spanish?) workers - I give them credit. Those guys really work hard - I at least give them credit for that. When they left - I noticed they get around this area by reading a GPS that's in spanish. It tells them how to get job to job, where the next motel is, etc.

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SmittyN

01-14-2008 18:54:30




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 Re: How NOT to insall a tractor-shed (many photos) in reply to jdemaris, 01-14-2008 16:01:23  
We put one up for my Dad. We used the 3pt post hole digger. Set some old lenghts of chain in the center of each hole and filled it with concrete. Then bolted the runners to the chain. If we need to move it (which we have), we unbolt, cut the tops off the chain so they don't get caught by the mower, etc..



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Davis In SC

01-14-2008 18:34:45




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 Re: How NOT to insall a tractor-shed (many photos) in reply to jdemaris, 01-14-2008 16:01:23  
You sure do have some nice views up there.. Mighty pretty country...



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Roy in georgia

01-14-2008 17:28:08




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 Re: How NOT to insall a tractor-shed (many photos) in reply to jdemaris, 01-14-2008 16:01:23  
we took some #4 rebar and welded some large nuts to one end 4 ft. long drove in the holes that were already there 4 on each side we were able to pull them up with the tractor when we moved it



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super99

01-14-2008 17:12:20




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 Re: How NOT to insall a tractor-shed (many photos) in reply to jdemaris, 01-14-2008 16:01:23  
I've thought about buying one of those, 2 car size for $695 installed. Always windy here, figured it would end up over at the neighbors and he would want to keep it so I don't think I'll get one, wait till I can afford a garage. Chris



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old

01-14-2008 17:07:47




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 Re: How NOT to insall a tractor-shed (many photos) in reply to jdemaris, 01-14-2008 16:01:23  
Not all that hard to anchor it down. Just take a few T posts and drive them in as deep as you can then weld them to the pipe. I've done that a few times on buildings and I drive them in about 4 foot leaving about 2 foot to weld to. So far I haven't had one pull up.



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msb

01-14-2008 17:04:19




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 Re: How NOT to insall a tractor-shed (many photos) in reply to jdemaris, 01-14-2008 16:01:23  
Dang, John. Tough break. I'll warn a friend who has one.



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Yugrotcart

01-14-2008 16:36:32




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 Re: How NOT to insall a tractor-shed (many photos) in reply to jdemaris, 01-14-2008 16:01:23  
You need some of these screw anchors. 48' long with an 8" plate would do the trick. Should be set every 4 or 5 ft.

Paul



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Billy NY

01-14-2008 16:22:26




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 Re: How NOT to insall a tractor-shed (many photos) in reply to jdemaris, 01-14-2008 16:01:23  
That sucks, and that's my biggest fear with those things. Couldn't you have done some kind of minimal concrete foundation or something more substantial to tie into and fasten down ?

I can't remember the name of the place, but it's in Ballston Spa, NY off exit 12 of the Adirondack Northway, heading west towards Rt. 50, before the main Curtis Lumber headquarters on the left, and the guy makes galvanized spiral, auger shaped, anchors that I believe you can use in the earth, would have to had more resistance to the windloads that lifted that thing off then those stakes, especially with some thread engagement. I can't for the life of me remember the name so I could look it up, I'm sure they have a website, they have a patented system I believe, his daughter worked at a local restaurant, has served myself and my father, got to talking and she mentioned the place, and I said I pass by it everytime I go to the farm. Can't even come close to remembering what the heck the name of the thing is or the company, you'll see pallets of them outside their building. It must have some strenght to it as it held it's shape, sorry to hear it went over on you.

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