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7lazy77

03-06-2008 09:26:53




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Looking at installing an automatic livestock waterer this spring. Just was wondering if there were any helpful hints anybody could provide (what type of material plastic/metal to use for the water line, etc)? I will be tapping into an existing water spigot line & plan on installing a shut-off valve (you can never have too many of them in case of a water break in the lines). ANY helpful information & "tips" would be greatly appreciated since I have not done anything like this before. Thanks.

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rrlund

03-07-2008 07:52:44




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 Re: automatic livestock waterer install in reply to 7lazy77, 03-06-2008 09:26:53  
I have the energy free like IAGary. One tip on those. You can get a styrofoam tube for those and I highly recomend it. It's 16 inch inside diameter,two inches thick. Bury it down to the depth of the horizontal pipe. Run 3/4 inch galvanized up to it with a shutoff at the bottom of the hole. Use pipe insulation over the vertical pipe. It'll never freeze. I think TSC has those tubes,I know some of the vet supply catalogs have them.

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paul

03-06-2008 17:52:38




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 Re: automatic livestock waterer install in reply to 7lazy77, 03-06-2008 09:26:53  
I really like the Cobett I put in a few years ago, no extra heat needed & I'm in MN. Don't have to worry about electric going out, and I probably saved enough electricity in the past 4 years to pay for the thing. They have some fgood diagrams online, if you search for them - well just add .com to their name.

--->Paul



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Bob Huntress

03-06-2008 17:33:27




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 Re: automatic livestock waterer install in reply to 7lazy77, 03-06-2008 09:26:53  
I'm getting ready to fabricate one with a five gallon bucket with two holes drilled in the bottom, a 60 gallon barrel cut top to bottom, some PVC piping, and a toilet tank float/fill valve. I won't know how it works until later in the year, after I've had a chance to see how well it works. On paper it looks like it should maintain a level within the same perimeters as a toilet tank. What could happen is that the flush/fill valve may not handle goats hitting the bucket. If you want, I'll keep you up to date.

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IaGary

03-06-2008 16:47:53




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 Re: automatic livestock waterer install in reply to 7lazy77, 03-06-2008 09:26:53  
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I get along with these here in Iowa.

Make sure you put them in right or they will freeze.



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Skybow

03-06-2008 15:44:34




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 Re: automatic livestock waterer install in reply to 7lazy77, 03-06-2008 09:26:53  
I have 2 Neslon waterers for my horses and am sold on them. They use the ground heat to keep the pipes free in the winter. They have a very small heating element under the stainless bowl to help keep it free too. I live in central Iowa. It was -10 for a few days and I never had to chip a piece of ice. They are great. My neighbor is a Vet and through his connections he got a great price on 2 of the "Can't freeze" plastic waterers-Richie I think. He has to knock the ice out of his twice a day when the temp gets below 20 degrees. I never have a problem. Excellent customer support and fast response to any problems-I got dirt in a line I added and plugged the cone filter. They knew right where the problem was and sent the correct part to fix it with one short phone call. They are built tough-stainless steel. You really get what you pay for with Nelson.

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NE IA

03-06-2008 11:51:18




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 Re: automatic livestock waterer install in reply to 7lazy77, 03-06-2008 09:26:53  
I HAVE NO IDEA OF YOUR AGE OR CLIMATE. If you are young consider SS. If you plan on short term use anything cheap will work for a year or two.

If the future holds in store another lot put a couple posts in so you can have two bunches of livestock drinking from the same water.

While you are laying the line in probably plastic and 1" be sure to run a second line (dead) just in case you get a leak. If you are planning on more waters in the future run a stub line out away from the water so you do not have to redig your existing line under the water.

Drop a 12-2 UF w/ gnd wire in the trench so your power is under ground if you live in cold climate. If in a cold climate useing black plastic, drop a ridgid 2" pvc plastic over it to keep it straight inside a larger 6" or 8" pvc pipe. This will keep the 1" from touching the side of the larger 6-8" pipe where it is more apt to freeze. Make sure the larger 6-8" pipe is a couple inches higher than your concrete slap so crap does not run down inside your riser pipe. We usualy install a valve (1/4 turn), however we live in limestone so they seldom if ever work regardless of the brand name or the type. Usualy the water has a hose inside that you can clamp a vise grip on. Check to see how much room your water has for plumbing, some are just plain a pain. If you are in a cold climate dip all electrical conections in 100% silicone calk so they are water tight and corrosision resistant. You are required to put in a 8 ft ground rod that is actualy a good idea. We many times wire in a small pigtail for a light bulb, then you know you have power without a test light. Your light bulb gives off the same amount of heat for the dollar as the heating unit. You will probably be best to instal a SSU box and down fuse to 8 amp or so, plus you can shut the power off when not in use / summer time.

We always grease the spring loaded catches for acess doors so manure does not corrode or freeze in them. Ritchie waters are ok, not the best for anchors in the concrete, but they have a valve seal that is very easy to replace with just a finish nail for tools , Franklins are easy to replace also. The other brand names we do not put in a whole lot of so I best not comet. Shmidly are usualy easyer to work on and install, probably the guy that designed it has worked on another water in the cold of winter.

When placing your slab wait untill the concrete is set up pretty firm, then set the water on so you get a perfect seal. Often we set them down in the fresh concrete a half inch or so. This makes them more solid. We always lift the water off the cured concrete and put 100% silicone under it. Mice have a way of finding the smallest crack so do a good job, plus manure can work up under the edges over the years.

If you use a SS water we often put the concrete up as high as you can heap it, and still acess the doors. This cements the water right in so cattle can get pretty rough on it. A good option if cattle go out to pasture etc and all come in for a drink at the same time, and the bull decides he has nothing to do but scratch his head on the water, or mount the cow as she drinks.

If you are placing on a existing slab or going to make a slab someday be sure to put the water on its own slab a couple foot larger than the water, probably 8inches high. Cattle seldom will back up to a water and get their feet up on this slab to (take a healthy crap) in the water.

Last, get measurments exactly where your water line, electrical wires etc are and write it down and put it with your deed and abstract so you know exactly where to find both the paper and the water line. Your memory isn't as good as you might think.

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bellyacre

03-06-2008 10:59:24




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 Re: automatic livestock waterer install in reply to 7lazy77, 03-06-2008 09:26:53  
I use 1" plastic line . I also use 8-10" plastic tile for a riser around the line to get some ground heat under the waterer



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Nancy Howell

03-06-2008 10:20:07




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 Re: automatic livestock waterer install in reply to 7lazy77, 03-06-2008 09:26:53  
I have two Nelson horse waterers in the barn. When I ran the water lines to the barn from the meter, I built sort of a junction box which I put about 10 inches in the ground and used "Ts" from the main line to the other areas in the barn that needed water lines. Since I'm in Tx, 10 inches is sufficient to keep it from freezing. I put what was then called a boiler valve with drain on the main supply line and each line that came off the main line. By doing this, I can shut off and drain everything using the boiler valve on the main line, or I can shut off and drain each line separately. Just be careful not to loose the tiny drain caps. I tape them to the line so I know where they are. When you turn the water back on, replace the drain cap and open the valve slowly. I've had this set up for about 12 yrs and its worked perfectly. Horses are never without water and never had a line freeze break.

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thurlow

03-06-2008 10:02:12




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 Re: automatic livestock waterer install in reply to 7lazy77, 03-06-2008 09:26:53  
This is not what you asked, but think about the surrounding area; it's gonna be MUDDY if you don't put it on a slab or some good rock/stone..... .



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Drill

03-06-2008 11:21:21




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 Re: automatic livestock waterer install in reply to thurlow, 03-06-2008 10:02:12  
thurlow is right about the cement pad, I would suggest at least 8 feet square. Make sure you have some way to secure it too, cows will push it all over the yard.



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