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could my tires be too old?

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dave2

04-23-2008 05:21:35




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Stupid question?

Reason I'm asking, I just barely made it through a place the other day that was wet. It was a road between fields, solid but about an inch of mud on top. Bed was empty, but had it in 4WD. Slight upgrade but mostly flat.

I had to know, so went back with my VW station wagon (front WD) and drove right through forward and backwards.

The truck (1990 F250) has 60k on it, so it can't be more than the second set of tires. Plenty of tread, but could it be that they just don't flex anymore enough to grip?

Pretty embarrassing to have all 4's spinning on flat ground.

Dave

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jose bagge

04-23-2008 17:43:05




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 Re: could my tires be too old? in reply to dave2, 04-23-2008 05:21:35  
pulled Michelin LTXs off my 2500 after the wife took so much pleasure in pulling me out of the pasture with her BFG All-Terrain equipped Suburban. 285/75-16 All Terrains get me anywhere-ANYWHERE- and I've got 45k on 'em.



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Bus Driver

04-23-2008 16:50:17




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 Re: could my tires be too old? in reply to dave2, 04-23-2008 05:21:35  
Unless you have a limited slip differential- or something better- in 4 wheel drive, it is possible to have only two tires turning, one front and one back.



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dave2

04-23-2008 11:30:34




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 Re: could my tires be too old? in reply to dave2, 04-23-2008 05:21:35  
It's not just me then..... ..... Just remembered that I have 60 psi in the tires also from some heavy hauling last fall and the tires are only M&S.Went over the same area a few minutes ago and it was OK. For no more than I do with the truck, I'm seriously considering selling it and picking up an all wheel drive wagon. What do you have for Subarus and what do you use them for? Will they pull a 2.5 ton trailer OK?

Thanks, Dave

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buickanddeere

04-23-2008 07:19:26




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 Re: could my tires be too old? in reply to dave2, 04-23-2008 05:21:35  
Tread shape and rubber composition is every bit as important as tread depth. I'm using up tread on the factory BridgeStone V-Steel spare tire and a mate purchased for it. Wish I had been so cheap and just left the new BS spare on there and bought two new Michelin tires instead. The new BridgeStone tires get stuck or spin both on and off road where the previous wornout Michelin Mud & Snows went with no troubles. Usually a tall narrow tire wins the traction game in mud, snow, ice or hard surfaces. The wide flotation tires are generally for very loose soil/sand.

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dave2

04-23-2008 05:54:33




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 Re: could my tires be too old? in reply to dave2, 04-23-2008 05:21:35  
all 4's were spinning.



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greygoat

04-23-2008 05:52:59




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 Re: could my tires be too old? in reply to dave2, 04-23-2008 05:21:35  
If you don"t have a locking axle, and have it
locked, then only 1 wheel on each axle will
spin. 4 wheel drive is really 2 wheel drive
unless it"s locked or has limited slip.



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jdemaris

04-23-2008 11:02:05




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 Re: could my tires be too old? in reply to greygoat, 04-23-2008 05:52:59  
All four can spin if the traction is even - which doesn't happen too often. I don't have locking differentials in any of my 4WD trucks and I often see all the wheels spin in my fields - sometimes all four, sometimes just 2 or three and sometimes they change back and forth.

And, on any one particular axle - if only one wheel is spinning - there still might be some power being applied to the other.

Back when 4WDs weren't all that common - one trick used to be - when one wheel lost traction and was spinning - to put the parking brake on gradually until it equalized the traction and both wheels kicked in.

In regard to the Volkswagen 2WD zipping right through where the 4WD truck would not? Happens to me all the time. Our little Subarus (in 2WD mode) go just about anywhere without engaging 4WD. But - my Dodge W250 - a slight grade and damp grass and sometimes all the tires spin an it goes nowhere. I usually have to back up a little onto flat ground , then go forward and get some momentum going. The bad traction in big trucks seems to have a lot to do with how stiff the suspension is. My Dodge W250 has the worst traction and rides the roughest. My Ford F250 rides much softer and gets much better traction.

And yeah, tires matter too. But - I've got a few 4WDs that are deathtraps on ice and snow regardless of what tires I have on them. And, to the converse - I can put summer tires on any of my Subaru 4WD wagons and they'll go just about anywhere - and stop just about anywhere.

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135 Fan

04-23-2008 08:59:39




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 Re: could my tires be too old? in reply to greygoat, 04-23-2008 05:52:59  
Actually limited slip is still only one wheel on the axle turning. The difference is it's the wheel with the most traction rather than the wheel with the least traction. Dave



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dave2

04-23-2008 05:43:24




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 Re: could my tires be too old? in reply to dave2, 04-23-2008 05:21:35  
tread wise, my tires are about new. just don't know how long they've been on there (bought it 3 yrs ago). Weight has a big effect on the rear, but the fron't ones are carrying plenty. It's not killing me, just an inconvenience.



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IaGary

04-23-2008 05:42:33




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 Re: could my tires be too old? in reply to dave2, 04-23-2008 05:21:35  
How wide are the tires on the truck.

On greasy not soft ground the narrower the better.

Gary



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dave2

04-23-2008 05:45:26




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 Re: could my tires be too old? in reply to IaGary, 04-23-2008 05:42:33  
tires are 235's (9 1/2). My car has 255's..... ..... ...



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T-Rev

04-23-2008 05:37:07




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 Re: could my tires be too old? in reply to dave2, 04-23-2008 05:21:35  
My 2000 Chevy 1500 4wd won't make it like the 2wd F-250s we have at work. I still haven't figured that out, they do have locking rears. My tires aren't that bad, I sometimes wonder if it's a weight issue, but I doubt it. I'm no expert at 4wd, but I wonder if the power goes to the easiest spinning wheels even in 4wd on the light duty 1500.



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