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Washington Post - columnist's take on biofuel controversy

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RayP(MI)

04-27-2008 17:33:01




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Washington Post's column by Lester Brown and Jonathan Lewis. Read what they think - adds more "fuel" to the controversy.

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Dandy Don

04-27-2008 17:51:08




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 Re: Washington Post - columnist's take on biofuel controv... in reply to RayP(MI), 04-27-2008 17:33:01  
What a crock... I wouldn't believe the post , even the comic pages if they have one. Don



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paul

04-27-2008 17:41:31




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 Re: Washington Post - columnist's take on biofuel controv... in reply to RayP(MI), 04-27-2008 17:33:01  
They just don't get it.

Typical media, it is unfortunate where the USA media has sunk to. They are empty heads, just type whatever they are fed with no research involved. Or worse yet, have an agenda to push, and pretend they have knowledge behind it.

--->Paul



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bo

04-27-2008 18:15:44




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 Re: Washington Post - columnist's take on biofuel controv... in reply to paul, 04-27-2008 17:41:31  
Here Paul, I'll save you the trouble of doing a bit of research of your own. You challenge a guy with his credentials? A gnat biting an elephant.



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MarkB_MI

04-27-2008 18:12:32




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 Re: Washington Post - columnist's take on biofuel controv... in reply to paul, 04-27-2008 17:41:31  
Paul,

First, just because someone disagrees with your opinion doesn't necessarily mean that they're wrong.

Second: Read the byline. The authors are NOT journalists. It is an opinion column, and it not necessarily even the opinion of the Washington Post, it is the opinion of the two authors, both of whom work for environmental organizations. I daresay that there is a fair amount of research behind what they say. You may disagree with their conclusions, but that doesn't mean they didn't do their research.

I found the most interesting statement to be this: "Last year, the United States burned about a quarter of its national corn supply as fuel -- and this led to only a 1 percent reduction in the country's oil consumption." Those statistics frighten me. If this statement is correct, it certainly is insane to continue to increase corn ethanol production.

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bo

04-27-2008 17:56:56




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 Re: Washington Post - columnist's take on biofuel controv... in reply to paul, 04-27-2008 17:41:31  
Not air head media....go back and read the author's credentials. They're not reporters. You need to do a bit of study yourself.



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huh?

04-27-2008 18:17:42




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 Re: Washington Post - columnist's take on biofuel controv... in reply to bo, 04-27-2008 17:56:56  
"Look at their credentials"? You mean this:
'Lester Brown is founder and president of the Earth Policy Institute. Jonathan Lewis is a climate specialist and lawyer with the Clean Air Task Force.' You call those 'credentials'? A lawyer/climate specialist and a "founder" of his OWN institute? Where does one get a degree as a "climate specialist"? Kidding, right? Do you REALLY think either one of these two idiots could find their way out of a dark closet?

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bo

04-27-2008 18:23:34




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 Re: Washington Post - columnist's take on biofuel controv... in reply to huh?, 04-27-2008 18:17:42  
Best you go and read my other post before you show your stuff.



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yeh..

04-27-2008 18:28:04




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 Re: Washington Post - columnist's take on biofuel controv... in reply to bo, 04-27-2008 18:23:34  
...your stuff has already been "shown".... as a crock!



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bo

04-27-2008 18:42:58




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 Re: Washington Post - columnist's take on biofuel controv... in reply to yeh.., 04-27-2008 18:28:04  
You know what is sad, stupid doesn't realize it is stupid. Do some research.



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Sorry..

04-27-2008 18:57:28




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 Re: Washington Post - columnist's take on biofuel controv... in reply to bo, 04-27-2008 18:42:58  
...but I don't have time to engage in a battle of wits with an UNARMED individual.



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usetabesteve

04-27-2008 17:54:20




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 Re: Washington Post - columnist's take on biofuel controv... in reply to paul, 04-27-2008 17:41:31  
Can you do better than that? Call me names if you want, but try to find some facts as well. All we know for sure is that grain prices have increased. Maybe that's enough for some people.

Meanwhile, the biofuel promise seems to be getting farther and farther away. We hear about the super microbes that will convert biomass to sugar and the super yeast that will make that into more and better ethanol. But they are nowhere near commercial feasibility. It's either five years or three years or ten years out. Anyone know for sure?

The current ethanol industry would not exist without the huge subsidies that make taxpayers' money a bigger part of ethanol revenues than fuel sales. Competing studies show that ethanol either (a) generates more energy than it takes to create it, or (b) less in the very next study. If it was a clear winner, the opposing studies would disappear because their facts wouldn't hold up. Both sides push the margins of reason, and redefine the terms to make their argument work. That shouldn't be necessary.

So where are we going with this? Are the facts wrong in the newspaper report or just uncomfortable?

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Tom Yaz

04-27-2008 18:10:13




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 Re: Washington Post - columnist's take on biofuel controv... in reply to usetabesteve, 04-27-2008 17:54:20  
The high grain prices that are affecting the most people are in wheat and rice, two crops not
typically used for ethanol, so I cant see how biofuels is directly responsible for the price rise.

Corn and Soybeans are a different matter.

If we want to use a crop for biofuels, one of the best in the northern hemisphere is hazelnuts.
Higher oil content and far less inputs (fuel and ferterlizer) than any other grain crop.

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Bill in Colo

04-27-2008 18:24:13




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 Re: Washington Post - columnist's take on biofuel controv... in reply to Tom Yaz, 04-27-2008 18:10:13  
I enjoy the banter between the sides this deal. One as a cattle cattle rancher the rise in cost feed stuffs costs me in the amount that I can sell my calves for.but I still support the use of ethenol as fuel oxygenator. It in my mind is the only safe replacement for MTBE. MTBE has continated the ground water in several states.



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P-oed

04-27-2008 18:36:52




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 Re: Washington Post - columnist's take on biofuel controv... in reply to Bill in Colo, 04-27-2008 18:24:13  
For 20 years of farming and barely breaking even. I was told that we as farmers have to find other uses for our products if we are to survive and get better prices. We finally did that and now we are the cause of all the worldly problems. For 20 years I was on the verge of depression thinking I am never really going to get a lick at this. Then when I do I can't even walk down the street of my home town cause my city cousins are pissed that I raised the price of their groceries.

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