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O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting

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Gary in Tx

11-29-2008 07:53:39




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I know the country and the world have gone crazy but dang, trampling a store employee to get Black friday savings, I used to work retail and it was crazy when we were closed on Thanksgiving day to see these stupid people out running like idiots, never thought it would lead to someone getting killed and shooting in a Toys R Us.

We need the old United States of America to come back, I don't know if we can take all this CHANGE!

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B-maniac

11-29-2008 18:56:02




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
I hate law suits but one is in order here. Wallmart had knowlege that it could happen (history) and didn't do anything to prevent it then the suit is an open and shut case. It will only take one large settlement and this crap will stop. Traffic through a door CAN be regulated.



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jay-eye-see

11-29-2008 17:17:51




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
You simply would never catch me out on black friday, I dont like to shop and usually try to avoid crowds as well.



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jimva

11-29-2008 15:54:49




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
Me and the wife got caught up in the black friday madness. Had a couple heck of a deals goin on so we were at wally world at 4:30 am waiting for the 5 am madness. All was well, of course our walmart had 3 armed police officers walking the store. Only problem I had was a lady kept bumping me in the rear with her cart after the 4th time i told her if she did it again i was goin to shove her cart up her A$$. solved that problem.

As for the deaths I had a feeling something like this was goin to happen. I said to the misses, with the economy in the slump, people being laid off and not a lot of cash to spare. The black friday sales was probably the only way they could afford half the stuff they wanted.

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Matt from CT

11-29-2008 14:11:11




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 It's nothing new. in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
There was plenty of jokes made back in the days of black & white TV & Film about the days of "Filene's Basement" and people fighting over stuff there.

Link is to a tale of a similiar, albeit non-fatal, incident in the 1960s.



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Davis SC

11-29-2008 13:06:05




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
WalMart should issue all employees a cattle prod on Black Friday. They could hold the crowds back with prods. No kidding, if people are going to act like animals, treat them like animals... Maybe even issue a few tranquilizer dart guns,too.



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F-350

11-29-2008 11:57:28




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
I and the wife have never participated in Black Friday.We dont like getting up early and we dont like crowds.In fact we no longer even give Christmas presents.

Wal-Mart needs to change their policy of only having a limited amount of a certain item thats on sale.They are mostly to blame for the stampede to get to certain items before someone else does.This literally turns normal people in to animals which is very sad,The true meaning of Christmas is long gone.

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tractormiallis

11-29-2008 11:55:41




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
In reagrds to wal mart, i read the crowd broke the doors in or took them off the hinges. Which I guess it makes sense, bust through the sliding doors. I think what it all goes down to is the MATERIALISM that many young people have these days, the NEED NEED NEED attitude, at any cost, total lack of feelings for others, lack of concern for others, and downright selfishness. Materialism, having things, not just money, but the money and items over family, good friends, and happiness. Now it is "you need money, the hottest new gadgets,etc" to be happy. I agree that, being a young person (25) and familiar with the teaching profession, kids are out of contol as the darn government tells society dont spank your kids, certainly teachers cant. Kids have now learned they can get away with just about anything in school. I can send them out of class, but they dont learn. Now, many parents just blame the school and teachers for their out of control kids. These are the kids who care nothing about others and think all the latest junk buys happiness. Not all students are "bad", just usually in any given class maybe 2 out of 30. Maybe if kids were fearful of real punishment in school and at home, things would be better.

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rrlund

11-29-2008 13:02:16




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to tractormiallis, 11-29-2008 11:55:41  
True enough about kids,but it must have been going on long enough to have gotten to middle aged folks by now. I was watching the 10 o'clock news on the Lansing Fox station last night. They were outside of a Wal Mart yesterday morning. Township ordinance wouldn't allow the store to open before 7am. They were interviewing a middle aged woman who was FURIOUS. She was cursing something about driving across town to another store,but then she'd loose her place in line,so she guessed she might as well stay there. Said she'd never shop at that store again. Sounds like she'd never shopped there BEFORE. If she did,she never read the store hours sign on the door. And to think that this generation will be crotchety old coots someday.

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lucas BOY

11-29-2008 11:27:09




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
I GAVE UP going shopping on that day . there were some things in the sears add i wanted but im tired of them being out when i get there.its not just that day either... tramplings have allways happened from time to time .its bad , but what are you gonna do?



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37chief

11-29-2008 10:27:44




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
If you look back all this crap started happening when the kids were not allowded to be spanked at school. When I was in school the teachers had complete control of us kids. I know if I was ever spanked in school I would have never told my parents, or I would have gotten it again. Now parents will go to jail for spanking a kid. Stan



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I need a handle

11-29-2008 10:27:27




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
I blame the man's death on Walmart's flawed policy. Walmart chooses to let a massive crowd of people stand in line for days, then simply throw open the doors and the first to get there gets the item..... ..anybody see anything wrong with that plan that might result in deaths or injury? The man died because he couldn't get the doors open and get out of the way in time and don't forget the injured shoppers as well. Injuries happen every year when they do it this way.

I bet Walmart will be reluctant to change their policy though, since chances are the shoppers tend to grab more stuff in a frenzy than they do when relaxed and thinking straight.

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Joe (Wa)

11-29-2008 13:19:35




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to I need a handle, 11-29-2008 10:27:27  
It's Walmart's fault the people were acting like animals to save a couple of bucks?

Pigs shoving and trampling for slops, dogs fighting & killing over a pile of guts, people trampling & maiming others to save 1/2 off a toy or other near useless piece of junk that they don't really need. All the same thing.

Joe



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kyhayman

11-29-2008 17:05:16




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Joe (Wa), 11-29-2008 13:19:35  
Couldnt have said it better myself.



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I need a handle

11-29-2008 15:09:21




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Joe (Wa), 11-29-2008 13:19:35  
Walmart poorly plans the event. They do a top job of advertising to get people there, but they drop the ball when it comes to how they choose to open and award the top black friday deals of the season. If you had read all my posts, you would understand how Circuit City does it in comparison to Walmart. Since the first to arrive at the item gets it, the crowd in this case didn't even wait for the guy to finish opening the door and tore the door off its hinges. The first ones knocked him off his feet, and the hundreds behind them stepped on him.

Yes, people kill for money, they do it everyday. I know the crowd didn't go there with the intention of killing the guy, but it happened, and when that big crowd of 2,000 strong started pushing foward when they saw people going in, there was no stopping, the ones in the front were pushed foward from behind and right over the man that had fallen on the floor, it was a big adrenaline rush that ended in disaster.

Doorbusters at Walmart are nothing new, and they know that people can get hurt with the way they do it. Yes, it was Walmart's fault because they didn't do better planning and people get hurt every year. It's pretty much like the running of the bulls.

Ok, so TV's and Cameras don't interest you, well lets just pretend John Deere decided to sell a few brand new big tractors on black friday for 25% of their regular price. How many of you guys would line up for days for that? How many of you would run as fast as you could through a store for a legitimate chance to own a brand new tractor for almost nothing? Next question is, how many of you actually need another tractor? Some do and some don't, same with the people lined up for the stuff at Walmart.

See, city people have no use for tractors, and love electronics as much as you love your tractors. Its all perception. City people can't understand the obsession with tractors anymore than some of you can't understand people's obsessions with video games. If your life consisted of living in a small apartment and working in an office cubicle, then you might be more into electronics than the man who has a back fourty.

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LEH

11-29-2008 11:46:11




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to I need a handle, 11-29-2008 10:27:27  
That's why they did away with stadium seating after that mess in Ohio at a concert some years back.



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Dave from MN

11-29-2008 09:33:46




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
Money over life. Thats how most people seem to prioritize. Everyone wonders why our nation is going in the crapper, well, we were one nation under God, and we were respected and mighty and prosperous. Now, we are a nation that has abanded God and in far too many ways made his worship "wrong" in public. We will get what we deserve. I am not overly religeous, but i know the expectations he set forth for us are a good way to live. I hope the younger generation will be able to reverse this countries heading for the last 20 years.

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LEH

11-29-2008 09:17:41




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
I think every person at the age of 18, should have to do Farm work for one year. Not tractor driving, pitching manure, baling hay on the wagon,[or better yet in the mow], feed and water every day 7 days a week[or better yet milk morning & night 7 days a week], Raise hogs too. This may expose them to the real world and not the TV & electronic games. Young folks seem to have too much free time to learn bad manners no respect for each other. Just my thoughts

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LAA

11-29-2008 08:41:10




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
If they can single a few out to charge it will probably be negligent injury resulting in death or something that carries a couple years and or probation. Some fat woman will be on TV shouting her boy is being singled out -- all those other people were pushing and shoving too -- it wasn't his fault etc. One thing I noticed right away was how many of the crowd were young men, seems to me alot of them should have been at work at 8 a.m. Wonder where they got the money to buy the crap that was on sale.

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Uncle Jed

11-29-2008 11:48:23




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 Sorry Jethro in reply to plow hand, 11-29-2008 08:17:02  
The vice president didn't shoot anyone last year. He did have a hunting accident in '06, not quite the accident your mother had.



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plow hand

11-29-2008 11:58:05




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 Re: Sorry Jethro in reply to Uncle Jed, 11-29-2008 11:48:23  
He did shoot someone right? or how about the two guys that were in the N.R.A. last year in Mn. who got mad at each other while hunting and shot each other is that Bush`s fault? my mother was in a minor fender bender last year yours must have had a major explosion!



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Uncle Jed

11-29-2008 12:16:26




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 Re: Sorry Jethro in reply to plow hand, 11-29-2008 11:58:05  
Shooting someone on purpose is different than an accident.

BTW, moms been dead for 30 years.



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plow hand

11-29-2008 12:23:51




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 Re: Sorry Jethro in reply to Uncle Jed, 11-29-2008 12:16:26  
And you`re still whining about it! go figure!



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Uncle Jed

11-29-2008 12:54:22




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 Re: Sorry Jethro in reply to plow hand, 11-29-2008 12:23:51  
Not whining, that's your apparent job. Just confusing you with facts. It's really rather easy.



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plow hand

11-29-2008 14:54:31




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 Re: Sorry Jethro in reply to Uncle Jed, 11-29-2008 12:54:22  
I may have had the year wrong but its realy rather easy for me to know who was holding the gun that shot someone.



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plow hand

11-29-2008 13:15:42




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 Re: Sorry Jethro in reply to Uncle Jed, 11-29-2008 12:54:22  
Ok crying like you are about something that happened 30 years ago. You better watch out or you might get Dick Cheneyed.



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plow hand

11-29-2008 19:14:48




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 Re: Dang in reply to Uncle Jed, 11-29-2008 17:34:21  
Well,you don`t need such spaces when you spell the words very slowly. There was no explosion with my dates what your heard was the sound of satisfied women!Did you hear and witness this when your where peaking in my windows while you were choking your little chicken?



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Ry

11-29-2008 16:33:48




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 Re: Sorry Jethro in reply to plow hand, 11-29-2008 13:15:42  
It might be people with attitudes like plow hands that are the biggest problem in this world - always ready to argue just because he feels a sense of satisfaction from pissing people off - instead of being helpful. And a word of advise for you plowjerk - if you are going to rant - learn to spell, others will take you much more seriously.



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plow hand

11-29-2008 16:58:03




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 Re: Sorry Jethro in reply to Ry, 11-29-2008 16:33:48  
I never ever start anything if you look at my posts they are all replies that I felt were offensive to me. p.s. did you teach marry a tractor how to spell?



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Traditional Farmer

11-29-2008 11:14:47




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Ford 312, 11-29-2008 08:55:32  
No he's just good friends with people that bombed the Pentagon



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plow hand

11-29-2008 11:40:20




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Traditional Farmer, 11-29-2008 11:14:47  
It could have been friends of the president at that time too.



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I need a handle

11-29-2008 09:47:14




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to rrlund, 11-29-2008 08:40:55  
Actually it is exactly like you described with the Soviet Union Butcher shop. They had a big screen and a digital camera on sale which there were 2,000 people outside the store waiting for, some of them since thursday morning. They only had a very limited supply of those deeply discounted. People this year are especially out of money, so if they miss these deals they might not be able to afford something else at full price. They missed thanksgiving with their families to wait in line outside for these deals. They'd worked themselves right up into a frenzy for these deals. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was only 20 of those cameras and TVs for the 2,000 to fight over.

These doorbuster deals are always gone within the first couple of minutes of the doors opening and once they are gone, thats it, no reinchecks, no nothing. Doorbusters are designed by advertising to get people to come to the store. The store is willing to take a loss on a very small quantity of items in the hopes those that come too late will buy other stuff.

I think Circuit City handles it about the best. What they do is go outside about an hour before they open and hand out tickets for the quantity of an item they have to those that are the first ones in line. That way when the doors open, people are much calmer, those that recieve a ticket know they will get the item and have until noon to pick it up. Those that did not recieve a ticket will not be getting one and its that simple.

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john in la

11-29-2008 08:09:14




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
I refuse to go to a black Friday sale no matter how much I would save. At the local wal-mart last year a 30 year old man beat a 70 year old man bad enough he had to be taken to the hospital. They were fighting over a bicycle.

The tot-r-us shooting yesterday does not look like a toy fight but rather is gang related.



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plow hand

11-29-2008 08:07:03




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
isn`t Bush still president? The Commy is not in there yet.



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Marry a Tractor

11-29-2008 13:38:28




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to plow hand, 11-29-2008 08:07:03  
yur sure a sad sucker !!!!! !!!!! ! why don't you move to Russia where they'd love to slap the crap out of ya fur talking like a fool ....



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MN Joe

11-29-2008 08:03:19




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to Gary in Tx, 11-29-2008 07:53:39  
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN NOTHING YET --- IT WILL GET WORSE AS TIME GOES ON --- YOUR RIGHT -- PEOPLE ARE CRAZY AND GETTING CRAZIER /////

DID YOU SEE THE NEWS ON THE (GENEVA) SWISS WILL LIKELY APPROVE PRESCRIPTION HEROIN BY GOVERNMENT APPROVED HAND OUTS...



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CWH

11-29-2008 13:16:27




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to MN Joe, 11-29-2008 08:03:19  
What's wrong with that?



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MN Joe

11-29-2008 13:32:22




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to CWH, 11-29-2008 13:16:27  
Well CWH --- you must be a drug'y -- maybe you should move to Geneva and enjoy yourself .....



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RodInNS

11-29-2008 13:54:18




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 Re: O/T Walmart trampeling and Toys R Us shooting in reply to MN Joe, 11-29-2008 13:32:22  
Well, I'm not and I still don't see the point to this silly war on drugs that's being carried on.
Drug heads are a burden on society whether they are given the drugs, steal the drugs or steal something else to pay for them...
When one looks at the state of affairs around them, it doesn't seem as though the drug war is slowing the flow too much. It might just make more sense to concentrate on crime you can deal with instead...

Rod

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