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.HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits

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tommyw

02-10-2001 10:52:17




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i have a 95 gmc 1 t0n 2wd cwew cab dually, ive replaced the tie rods, pitman arm, had it aligned 3 times, replaced front tires 3 times,done front brakes 2 times, turned rotors 2 times. and the front end still rocks right to left if you hit the brakes at all. it almost gets away from me , you cant pull a trailer with it at all (TOO DANGEROUS), none of the parts i replaced were worn out , the truck has 89,000 miles, ive had it in every front end shop in the county and they say its ok.it seems worse with some brands of tires. i baught a steering stablizer but you have to drill the frame to put it on, dident want to do that seems unsafe. ill bet the forum can solve this. sure fixed my computer

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 Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to tommyw, 02-10-2001 10:52:17  
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Jim

02-18-2001 10:42:55




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 Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to tommyw, 02-10-2001 10:52:17  
My chev i had did the same thing,,it was the little slider bushing inside the calipewr,,it is located where the bolt goes through,,it there is a bushing in there that has to slide,,if it doesnt it can cause all kinds of problems.And also i agree with the lower ball joints being a possible,,as well as the rear springs,,if the ball joints flex to much it will throw the front end out of whack when you hit the brakes,,,but if it is the spring perches,,or the bolts through the mid of the spring,you should feel it move on acceleration as well...my suggestion is to check the calipers,,or take it to a different mechanic,,the one you used shouldnt have changed the parts if the were good....Jim

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Dirttracker

02-12-2001 17:51:09




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 Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to tommyw, 02-10-2001 10:52:17  
Hi Tommy. Lower ball joints on these GM trucks can and do cause this problem, they are very hard to diagnois without seperating the lower A-arm from the spindle. They get loose but not detectable with prybars, but under braking load they move causing toe-in change and that can get pretty wild, I know from experience. Surely you have a good front end mechanic that can road test the truck and know what is happening.
Good luck.

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G L Perry

02-11-2001 11:19:06




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 Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to tommyw, 02-10-2001 10:52:17  
Brake hoses loosen their linings and look fine from outside, yet plug up on inside. That doesn't let the fluid back off the caliper on one side and it's partially on all the time and responds quicker than other side because of that. Also, remember these trucks have proportioning valves that may stick, light should be on for that tho. And anti-lock brake set-ups get quite involved on newer brands, and you should have the Hydro brakes running off the power-steering pump and may have other odd things to check there. I can't beleive that new of truck should have that big of problem. Check the hoses, BTDT on older Chevy's. Don't knock Chevy's because of this one problem, all the brands are using similar complicated systems on their trucks now and I'ld rather have GM's technology than what Ford or Dodge usually offers.

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MarkB

02-11-2001 05:51:41




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 Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to tommyw, 02-10-2001 10:52:17  
When you did the brakes, did you replace both calipers? You could have a stuck or leaking caliper. A leaking caliper will soften the pads on that side and make it grab.

Since you've been through the front end, maybe you need to look at the back end. You might have a grabbing rear brake. Another bizarre thing that I've seen is a locking rear differential that's acting up. This can appear to be a front end problem, with the front end jerking to one side.

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Don Gebers

02-24-2002 23:47:26




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 Re: Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to MarkB, 02-11-2001 05:51:41  
Left rear brake appears to be locked up and will not release. It is a case back hoe and the petal is in the normal off position. Do I have to take the wheel off to get a look inside? Thanks don't have a clue



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RonMC

02-10-2001 21:22:32




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 Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to tommyw, 02-10-2001 10:52:17  
tommyw, If it only shakes with the brakes on, can you feel it in the steering wheel ? Go out on open road and try it, if you can, take your foot off the brake and lightly apply the emergency. If the feel is the same, it's in the back, if not it's the front. Go to a GOOD mechanic and have him put a dial guage on the front rotors with the pads out, and if it has more than about 1/2 thou run-out, your brake rotors may be the problem. Find (if you can), someone who can machine them in place on the vehicle - we use this type of machine in our shop and it's the only way to get a true cut. If you can't find that, check the rotors when they are chucked in the lathe that the high spot when it's on the truck is in the same place, if not, clean, re-chuck and do this until it's the same on the lathe as on the truck. We see this all the time where some idiot will chuck rotors crooked, then turn them straight and have seen as much as 20 thou run-out on good-looking rotors. It's a big waste of expensive steel to make a mistake like this, so you may want to NOT take it to the same place to have it checked for run-out. Let me know if this is any help, Ron

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John Ne.

02-10-2001 20:18:49




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 Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to tommyw, 02-10-2001 10:52:17  
Tommy, lots of good suggestions here, one of the things I'd do is have someone else, a trusted driver, drive the truck and I would follow, to see if it is dog-tracking, especially during braking, perhaps the rear spring shackle bushings are worn, allowing the rear end to push the truck, a good alignment shop that does 4-wheel-alignment can check for this too, just ask for a tracking check,



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Joe (Wa)

02-10-2001 19:44:50




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 Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to tommyw, 02-10-2001 10:52:17  
tommyw, sounds like your front brakes are doing all the work (and are not perfect) without any assist from the rear brakes. There are a number of malfunctions that can keep the rear brakes from working. If your master cylinder is directing the oil pressure back there (pressure is always to the front brakes first) check the elevation valve that is probably mounted on the rear axle and get into the drums if it is ok. This is a heavy vehicle, the older they get the more they need the stopping power of the back brakes to maintain control.

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ROY MI

02-10-2001 15:59:12




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 Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to tommyw, 02-10-2001 10:52:17  
check out your rear brack shose.
I had same with mind it was in the rear
wheel clyder was leeking on one side.



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Al English

02-10-2001 11:26:10




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 Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to tommyw, 02-10-2001 10:52:17  
Jim has a good point. If your brake system is split diagonally rather than front/rear, half of the system may not be working correctly. This kind of brake problem will cause the steering wheel to pull to one side. Assuming everything in the steering & suspension is ok, there is nothing loose, bent, or broken, and the brake calipers are floating and not sticking, I would check to see if the front and rear wheels are tracking properly, and that the wheelbase is the same on both sides of the vehicle. Under heavy braking a weak or broken front spring would cause this. Steering stabilizers are not intended to correct this kind of problem, and many of the people who have then really don't need them. Having said all this, I suspect your problem is in some way brake related. Maybe you should get a Ford next time? Good luck...Al English

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CDH

02-10-2001 15:16:38




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 Re: Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to Al English, 02-10-2001 11:26:10  
HI tommyw My experence with brakes Iwould check your calipers to make shure they are floating free if not you might have to hone them good luck CDH



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tommyw

02-10-2001 11:49:54




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 Re: Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to Al English, 02-10-2001 11:26:10  
i dont know if ill get a ford , but no more chevys, im done



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Jim

02-10-2001 14:47:12




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 Re: Re: Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to tommyw, 02-10-2001 11:49:54  
All manufacturers have lemons . Your next chevy could be the best vehicle ever built. I know a guy that if you put 100 perfect vehicles in a field and on lemon in with them he would get the lemon every time. He's had Ford's and Chevy's and the all have had major problems with every on of them.



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Bus Driver

02-10-2001 15:29:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to Jim, 02-10-2001 14:47:12  
What if one of the front brake hoses is almost clogged or plugged and the pressure from the master cylinder is not reaching that wheel as quickly as the other? Or what if the plugged line will not quickly release the wheel cylinder on that side? I have experienced these conditions. Replacing the brake hoses will be cheaper than some of the other repairs already made.



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ltf in nc

02-10-2001 19:26:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to Bus Driver, 02-10-2001 15:29:51  
Busdriver, I am with you on this one. This is a very common fault on some British autos due to hose material.



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Jim from Stonepile

02-10-2001 11:01:06




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 Re: .HELP PLEASE......at the end of my wits in reply to tommyw, 02-10-2001 10:52:17  
Have you checked the brake lines? Is there a possibility that one is pinched enough to restrict fluid flow to one side? Or maybe an internal restriction some where? Just a guess. Hope it leads to the solution. JIM



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