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Re: RANT - Want to carry when working back fields


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Posted by Billy NY on May 16, 2011 at 04:37:48 from (74.67.3.54):

In Reply to: RANT - Want to carry when working back fields posted by RayP(MI) on May 15, 2011 at 19:08:47:

I have noticed that some people are ignorant when it comes to property lines, posted lands etc., and they are the same kind that can be a nuisance. It appears to me that element will always exist, so a landowner does need to be proactive about dealing with it, as left unchecked, the problem may get worse, as I have seen here. Maintaining signage, and showing an active presence is important, as is knowing the laws in your location, as well as knowing what law enforcement will do or what you can do to support their efforts if they are needed. I don't like to sour the law people with constant complaints, "the sky is falling, the sky is falling' .... etc., but I have collaborated with them, asking and knowing what I can do to help. Things like photos and or positive identification are along the lines of what they are looking for.

I too find trespassers annoying, more so during any kind of hunting season, on foot or ATV, latter being worse. I always confront the people, first asking their name and address, and I'm usually quick on that to see what info I can get by reaction without them thinking. Most of the ATV'rs have been kids, easy to deal with and in recent times not many on foot, I prefer to keep things civil, just ask em to politely leave, because the owner prefers the place to be left alone and quiet, 90% of the time that is the end of it, most of these people are new to the are or something, though you do get a few ignorant ones, signs mean nothing to em etc.

Most who have encountered my, have done so while I'm armed, sometimes a rifle on a sling, other times something smaller and concealed, the latter being better I think, but I do want people to know the place is posted and patrolled or portray that image. I do not however, brandish any weapon or carry on exhibiting similar behavior, and I believe the law kind of starts to apply here in that regard, brandishing, threatening etc. when it comes to weapons. That is where a person must use care and diligence to not put themselves at odds with the law while in the midst of matters like these.

It is wise to know the laws, know what you can do and cannot do. Depending on the situation, or threshold of potential harm to yourself, adjust your stance, subsequent actions accordingly, use law enforcement for assistance if the situation requires, why put yourself in harms way or be the cause of unneccessary escalation into something dangerous. It is far better to be prepared on all fronts, use care in confrontations, keeping your safety a priority and knowing when not to do something that will jeopardize same.

I firmly believe that when you are alone and in the woods or desolate locations, being armed is a neccessity, so is a persons poise, decision making ability, discipline, and diplomacy when encountering strangers, being outnumbered etc., sometimes its better to report, document, photograph, than to confront, and or avoid same if you feel it may turn on you.

Most times these things are resolved quietly, its just the potential for encountering that one person or persons that will do you harm, that makes you want to be prepared, if those people did not exist, there would be a lot less concern about putting oneself in danger while dealing with things like this.


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