John Seasly said: (quoted from post at 18:48:51 05/22/11) Property rights is another joke. My farm has 161 ac.been in the family for 3 generations. The farm right next to me is 125 acres with 75ac. tillable. Purchased in 2007 with a $1,830,000 mortgage on farm worth $500,000. How many of you know-it-alls would borrow $1,830,000 on 75 acres tillable? I could have bought it if I wanted to be financial irresponsible.
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Congratulations on keeping the farm in the family. I honestly believe a man's home is his castle. The neighbor's house isn't your castle, too.
[quote:c974cae259]When the family farms are gone; and all your food comes from factory farms. You will be paying whatever they want to charge. I have no problem with farmers doing what they want with their land.[/quote:c974cae259]
I don't know where you've been, but since 1998's hog price raping, a large percentage of "family" hog farms are long gone. The last couple of years have removed some more. Many others got in bed (contracted) with packers to stay alive. They wanted to keep their 3rd. + generation farms, too.
My dad sold 250 lb. fat hogs one December for $8/hundred wt. ($20 for the whole dang hog). Ma bought a Christmas ham for $25. I think we got screwed over royally there.
You were paying what "they" (the store) wanted you to then and you are today. You will pay what "they" want tomorrow, too. Unless you hand a check or green money to a farmer and leave with a hog, you're not buying anything from the family hog farmer. I have yet to see a package of bacon in the store with my dad's name on it, yet the gov't wants eventually to have each and every animal independantly identifiable, and the farmer to pay for that too. Hog farmers sell hogs, not pork. Checkoff funded programs intentionally confuse people on this, to keep money advertising money rolling in for the packers from the farmers.
[quote:c974cae259]I have problems with a in debt farmer putting a farrowing operation that a large out of state corporation provides the sows, gilts, feed, and takes the baby pig to be finished; paying the farmer for the number of pigs produced at the end of the year. Leaving the management to another one of their companies but letting the farmer get the lawsuites, and EPA fines.
How many of you want that type of deal. I will put you in touch with Smithfield Foods out of Virginia
You're confusing farming and business, which really are the same. Why a farmer's debt load is an issue with you, I don't know. You're not renting him ground on your farm or anything. If I were go to a bank, and want to start a 1000 sow farrow to finish operation, they'd laugh at me. If it were set up as above, it could be done. They'd really laugh at a new 100 sow farrow to finisher wanting financing. Most operations now are not farrow to finish, and everyone has a "specialty'. Here lies the dilema: does someone do something like above, or do they leave the farm? When the folks leave the farm, the majority leave it for good. As much as it would please me to see them return of the days of a everybody having 20 sows or 10 milk cows, the majority of those are gone, and if current trends continue, aren't coming back. There are minimum pick-ups for milk in some places, and in some areas there is no market for animals other that direct contract with packers. If you're an independent with 25 or 50 good fat hogs a month, they may not even buy them.
These large setups always lay the liability on the farmer. That's a stupid business decision to get into in my opinion. Again, I dislike mega-livestock operations, too, and never would get myself involved in an operation like you describe. If someone else wants to, I can't stop them.
AG
This post was edited by AG in IN at 17:24:30 05/22/11.
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