Posted by oldtanker on July 07, 2011 at 09:20:45 from (66.228.255.223):
In Reply to: O.T. for Gun Guru posted by MarkB_MI on July 07, 2011 at 03:07:46:
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New shooters??? LOL I spent some time on a range this winter, indoor, 50'. Guys were in there twice a week and with standard 50' pistol targets it looked like they had used a shot gun! And these guys shoot year round.....one in the lane next to me who shoots twice a week with several very nice Colts told be I was showing off shooting 2" groups with my Rock Island. I told him maybe it was something with his guns and let him try mine. He shot all over the target with that too. One guy even had a scope on a .22 target pistol. Again all over the target. I think from watching em that they were chasing rounds. I was a small arms instructor for a while in the Army so I kinda know what to look for.
With todays US made ammo you really don't see much of a difference between factory and hand loads until you are getting out there in range. Most shooters will do better with hand loads but it's more of a crutch than anything else. My son shoots my .45 in 2" groups with hand loads and about 3" with factory unless I lie to him and tell him that the mag I just handed him is loaded with my loads. Then he is shooting 2" groups again. I get 2" groups with both. I don't see much difference between factory and hand loads with my rifles out to 200 yards (I know guys who will not shoot a 30.06 past 100) using the same weight/type bullet and same powder charge. Worst case is about 1/4 inch difference. Now a BIL has an off brand 30.06 that will not shoot any factory load worth a darn but hand load 150 grain boat tail spitzers at about 2600 FPS and it's a tack driver.
But guns are a good way to start an argument. Everyone thinks they know it all. Get on a pistol forum and read the 10MM and up group trying to convince the 9MM crowd that just because the US military went over to 9MM don't mean it's a good gun.
As far as Wolf Ammo is concerned I've read that the primers put corrosive deposits in a gun but don't know for sure.
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