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Re: A little OT - Training dogs


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Posted by jackinok on November 02, 2011 at 11:30:56 from (162.58.82.136):

In Reply to: Re: A little OT - Training dogs posted by rhouston on November 02, 2011 at 10:09:13:

WAHAHA,they call them shock collars for WHAT reason exactly?Ive seen them knock a full grown pointer to their knees!Ive also seen far too many people use them who should have had them used on themselves.for the most part they teach a dog absolutly nothing,except that the person who holds the control can hurt them at will.a rope is far and away a better training tool EVERY TIME.On a dog that wont listen ,or doesnt want to obey,a shock collar does absolutly nothing.you may as well put him back in the dog box or have him put down.AND 99% of the guys who insist on a shock collar for their hunting dogs,are doing nothing with it but costing them selves birds,And training their dogs to blink them!the one and only place i use a shock collar,and the ONLY place i think its effective is when snake training a dog,or breaking one from chasing deer.any other use is doing nothing but ruining your dog.i suppose you may be one of those folks who shock their dogs when they get too far away,or wont return?if a dog is running say 75,80 yards away,and you shock him,what exactly does that teach him? think about it,what exactly are you saying to that dog?you may want to teach him not to hunt so far away,and to slow down,but what you ARE teaching him is to (a),not hunt at all.(b) dont run(c)I'M an ahole who gets a kick out of listening to you yelp on demand!your NOT teaching him to come back,your not teaching him to slow down at all.in fact you are giving him another reason to not come back because he knows youll be mad!how many times have you seen some guy holler at his dog for some reason ,the dog stops and the guy stomps over and beats the dog for something the hunter thinks hes doing wrong ,or doesnt like? what does that teach a dog?not to do whatever it was the idiot beat him for or does it teach the dog that when the hunter hollers whoa he had better not stop or the guy will beat him?how many times have you seen a guy use a shock collar the dog comes running back and the owner beats him?does that teach the dog to come when you call? or does it tell him that if he does come he will get beat?patience is the key to training dogs,pateince and discipline.Pateince for you,discipline for the dog .it doesnt come 100 yards away from a shock collar.dogs are very simple creatures,they understand two things,praise,and pain.often a simple no,or the withholding of praise is more effective than pain.pain is the last resort,and the initial key.patience is every thing else.


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