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Re: Another Rant/pet peeve!!! Small motor ratings


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Posted by NCWayne on November 06, 2011 at 20:08:23 from (69.40.232.132):

In Reply to: Re: Another Rant/pet peeve!!! Small motor ratings posted by Ryan - WI on November 06, 2011 at 18:02:18:

Yes, it is still stupid because now all they are doing is giving a displacement and expecting the customer to make a mostly uneducated guess as to what HP to expect from a given displacement. Heck, look at the replies over the last year or so in regard to all the different ways just the guys on here use to get close to a HP rating. On the other hand the OEM should be expected to test their engines under real world conditions and post the ratings accordingly. Like I said before, if they all did like Wisconsin origionally did they would have a chart giving the expected HP at a specific RPM, under specific conditions.

Heck, Wisconsin went so far as to give the conditions their engines were tested under and go on to tell you that for every 1" lower barametric reading to deduct 3.5 percent, for every 10 degree rise in temp to deduct 1 percent, for every 1000 feet altitude rise to deduct 3.5 percent. Not to mention that they also told the consumer that the engine left the factory only capable of 85 percent of the rated HP due to friction losses but to expect the HP to increase as the parts ran in.

Like I said THERE IS A WAY for the MFGS to give an accurate HP rating on their own engines, under a specific set of operating conditions. If they were able to do it with the technology available nearly 60 years ago then they can dang sure do it nowdays. Problem is they chose to ignore good business practice and basically lie to everyone and expect them to be smart enough (or not) to know the lie and make their decisions based on their knowledge or lack thereof. Now, instead, they simply rely on the consumer to do it all themselves, only now with even less info readily available then before.

I mean seriously, the displacement of an engine means nothing. Different brands can run different lifts and durations on the cam, different sized valves, longer or shorter stroke and larger or smaller bores but each having the same displacements, etc, etc, etc. Basically there are way too many variables that are going to affect the HP and torque of an engine that go way beyond aything the dsplacement can even begin to tell you to make even the mention of the displacement in regard to rating an engine laughable to say the least. But that's what they are doing now.

Again, to me, that is about as stupid as it gets.............The fact that our government not only is allowing it, but actually pushed it into existance in the name of 'consumer protection' is even more stupid........ But that's just my .02


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