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Re: True Story - Why we are still free


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Posted by oldtanker on December 07, 2011 at 22:14:43 from (66.228.255.223):

In Reply to: True Story - Why we are still free posted by Ellis Kinney on December 07, 2011 at 16:30:56:

Actually Germany and Italy did declare war on us first.

The US Army ground forces were at 241,000 on Dec 7 1941 and the US Army Air Corp was about 60,000. The US Marine was less than 50,000 (2 divisions plus support). Most of our ships and aircraft were obsolete with the Navy in the process of switching over from bi-wings to mono wing fighters. Even the new F4 Navy fighter was not up to the task. WWII hero Joe Foss (highest scoring ace Pacific) when ask how to fight a Zero said something along the lines of "one on one, no advantage dog fight....you run (dive away, the only way an F4 could out perform the Zero)". And the P40 was a joke! But we did come back from that with the F4U, F6F, P38, P47, P51 and other things that proved to be very effective.

Admiral Yamamoto did say to an aide after the attack that he feared that they "had awakened a sleeping giant". A senior Japanese officer had cautioned against a land invasion of main land America because of the number of guns in the hands of the common people....something about "a gun behind every blade of grass".

The Greatest Generation did in fact win that war with substandard equipment with guts and a nation that could produce 83,000 tanks from1942-1945 and 12,000 aircraft, 30 supply ships and subs a month backing them up.

The 556 round has proven to be inadequate and isn't known for knocking down guys at 100 meters with a chest shot to the point that the Army is teaching triple shot with it now......2 in the chest and one in the head to make sure they stay down. Sure 70% of the soldiers love the 556.......they are support troops! Their life isn't depending on it! They don't want to pack around a bigger gun, it gets in their way while they are flipping burgers, punching a key board or turning a wrench. My son completed infantry training this spring....they are teaching triple tap with the 556 and double with the 9MM. That is why US Army Spec Ops is developing new rounds like the 6.8 Rem SPC that only requires a new upper receiver on the M16/M4 but can hit hard enough to give a killing shots out to 450 meters on a live pig. You can talk about shot placement all you want......but when the target is shooting back it makes it a little harder, trust me I know. The Army taught us the 8 steady hold factors to hit a target...... they all go out the window the first time you are ambushed! Examples are a killer shoots an unarmed guy in the head, point blank range with a 25 ACP and then strangles him to finish the job. Another shoots a woman in the throat point blank with a .38....turns her into a quadriplegic who dies of cancer 2 years later. Or the guy, who at very close range shoots an unarmed man with a 556 twice and fails to kill him. Plus add in that the original Stoner design blows hot gasses and carbon right into the bolt face...in dry dusty conditions.....causing heat and jamming problems. What ever happened to one shot one kill?????

Rick....old soldier learning how to be an ole farmer......


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