Posted by 2002sliverado on February 07, 2017 at 17:29:39 from (99.197.238.128):
In Reply to: JD 4320 posted by marcusoverholtzer on February 07, 2017 at 13:58:40:
I am going to re-affirm many of the comments shared by others and also share my own experiences. First of all, I believe the money asked for this tractor is rather high at $9500, or $9900. The pictures may look nice, but seeing in person is truly believing. Looking at the photos, it looks like it has been a fresh repaint. Paint can cover a lot of sins for a relatively short period of time. I went to an auction and looked at a 4620 that looked sharp from about 100 feet. The closer I got, the worse it looked. There were oil/grease spots that weren't removed or cleaned up before painting. I saw the rear view of this tractor and could see the hydraulic outlets covered in green paint. Looked like a quickie rush job. Now, on to the cost of an engine overhaul. I am not able, nor do I have the experience, to do the mechanical work on a farm tractor involving major repairs or rebuilding. With that, if you are going to do the engine overhaul right on that 4320, I suspect you are going to have about as much money tied up in the parts to overhaul that engine as you would in the purchase. The overhaul kit will be a fraction of the cost. You are probably going to need the crankshaft ground or polished, or if the engine has serious issues, the crankshaft might need replacement. I suspect the camshaft will need replacement. You will need to get into the head, maybe have it planed, and probably have the valves renewed. Injection pump and injectors likely need to be rebuilt. How about the oil pump, water pump, and turbo. A 4320 is a very appealing tractor to me. It happens to be the first diesel tractor I learned to operate, and I spent a lot of time plowing with one. I had a 4640 overhauled a couple years ago and we did a complete out of frame overhaul. Everything I told you about prior, covers what was done to that tractor. The work was done at a shop we do regular business with. The total cost was well above $10k. There are some who may think we overpaid. Maybe we did. Maybe we should have bought a Re-man engine. I don't know for sure. I DO know that 4640 will last a long time and I am happy with the performance of that tractor now. I will switch gears a bit in sharing my own experiences. I wanted to be a farmer in the worst way from when I was a kid. I didn't become one until I was 40. It was not meant to happen at an earlier age. There were simply too many obstacles in the way. My father was not aggressive in increasing the size of the operation in order to bring me into the operation. He was not of the BTO mindset, nor did he overextend himself in order to get a "financial restructuring" like so many of the BTO's got. I was forced to go out on my own, work for others, gain a lot of experience and knowledge through the school of hard knocks. I learned a great deal about business management, finance, I gained confidence in my own abilities, and I am in a financially rewarding career. I don't farm half the county, but I do run a decent farming operation where I can put all my earnings from that farm back into the operation itself. I spent a lot of time being around people who were successful in their businesses, both farm and non-farm businesses. I have also had to deal with the public in my off farm career, which has taught me a great deal about how other people need to be and should be treated, rather than being used and abused by those people who can be classified as "south ends of north facing horses." In closing, my experiences have involved a lot of hard work, and not always having things go the way I wanted them to. I can generally understand the lessons I learned from not having things go my way. Had I been able to come back to the farm when I wanted to, the odds were probably more in favor of failure than success because I lacked the financial means and the business savvy to better understand how and why certain things needed to be done. Enough said.
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