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Re: Re: Re: Re: Another look at it all - farmers don't take it wrong
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Posted by paul on November 08, 2001 at 14:21:20 from (199.3.9.71):
In Reply to: Re: Re: Re: Another look at it all - farmers don't take it wrong posted by Steve W on November 08, 2001 at 12:10:12:
I appreciate the conversation, not mad at anyone here. :) I think you have a dreamer's view of how the govt works. That's ok. Try dealing with the permit people sometime. My neighbor wants to put in a lagoon for his dairy. Asked this spring. They will come to review the site - this December. In Minnesota? What will they see under a foot of snow???? Another 100 examples if you want... Same with installing tile. Need to clear 3 different agencies, takes several months to get permits, which only last several months, then it's winter, you get chewed out for reapplying next year but they didn't get you the permits until December.... There are some bad people who pollute - farmers included. Funny that many of the same people who advocate fencing out all waterways etc. from cattle, also promote re-establishing millions of buffalo to roam those same waterways free & clear. Large livestock intensive farms import much of their feed, and the manure can be viewed as a waste, a problem to get rid of - over apply it, pump the liquid into a ditch, etc. Smaller farms with small herds produce their own feed, and recycle the manure as fertilizer for next year's crop. It's not a waste problem, it's a valuable resource to them. There is far less reason for abuse on small farms with small heards - thus less abuse. Not 100%, if that's what you mean. If you only feed 1/3 of your produce to your livestock, and use the manure as fertilizer, how can you have more manure runoff than if you don't harvest anything and let the vegitation die on the ground? Manure _can_ be pollution, but it's most often a valuable fertilizer resource. Distant neigbot had a pipe break, his nearly empty manure pit filled up, overflowed into creek. $100,000 fine, permits revoked. Newspaper headlines about the dangers of pig manure. Why? Why the fine for a very small spill (10,000 gallons of actual manure, 90,000 gallons of water). Why revoked permits for an accident? Distant neighbor hooked a pipe up to his pit, pumped his pit into the ditch. Authorities found him with dirty hands, fresh wet pump & pipe - but he claimed it must have been an accident - uh huh. Glad he got a $100,000 fine, permits revoked. Newspaper headlines about the dangers of pig manure. Nearby town had a raw sewage pipe going under river burst, estimated 100,000+ gallons of city sewage flowed into river daily for 3 weeks. No fine, it was an accident. Newspaper headlines stated it was no threat at all to anyone due to high volumes of water. No big deal at all. Will be fixed whenever they get around to it. Yup, fair is fair. A small farm that can't afford an $80,000 manure containment system can't afford to fight the county, state, or enviornmental groups either. They are history, only the very large farms will be left. You do not understand at all about shifting ag production to 3rd world countries, where there are no regulations or rules in place. I think it would be better to go slow, inexpensively, get rid of a few bad polluters here in the USA, than to shut down much of our agriculture and rip open the prairies & rainforests of other countries and repeat the same poor farming practices there. That makes no sense, as well as exposing our country to OPEC type cartels with our food supply. All seems kinda sad to me. --->Paul
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