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Re: What's better 1066 0r 4440
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Posted by G/MAN on December 16, 2004 at 07:43:54 from (67.52.48.10):
In Reply to: Re: What's better 1066 0r 4440 posted by Cliff Neubauer on December 15, 2004 at 16:09:10:
You need to read more closely. I asked if the 5088 had the DT466, I didn't say it did. I've not only been in 88s, I've overhauled one. The serviceability with that blow-through fan is terrible. I had to pull the front cover and replace the cam. What a joke using the front cover to support the engine. I had to remove the front axle to remove the front cover. The crossflow head argument is useless, unless you're talking pulling, and even then it doesn't hold much water. IH never had an aftercooler, did they? And with the intake and exhaust on the same side, access to the nozzles is much easier on a Deere. I can have the nozzles out of a 4440 before you even get to the ones on a 5088. Deere brought out those SCV boxes that the 88s are supposedly superior to in '70. It only took IH 12 or 13 years to come up with something that would compare, and I notice you didn't comment on the fact that they still used separate valves and couplers. The flow-control is also a moot point. If you want super-precise flow control for an orbit motor, you install a power-beyond kit and a needle valve. Is a 5088 power-beyond capable? Same with the cab. It only took IH over a decade to come up with a cab that was quieter than one Deere first built in '73. I also challenge you to come up with production numbers proving that Deere hasn't built as many tractors as IH did. I've heard that "5 million" claim time and again, and it doesn't carry much weight with me. Deere built 1.2 million two-cylinders and has built over 1 million tractors in Mannheim alone. And 300,000 4010s/4020s. And a similar number of 3010s/3020s. That's nearly 3 million right there, without taking into consideration the hundreds of thousands of 30s, 40s, 50s, 55s, 60s, 4000s, 5000s, 6000s, 7000s, 8000s, 9000s, etc. It took C-IH from 1987 to 2003 to build 100,000 Magnums. Deere has built over 60,000 8000s since '96. Why do you think they introduced the MX you're bragging about? Because the 8000, which C-IH ridiculed to no end, took their good old Magnum to the cleaners in sales. MX = 8000 clone. Wasp-waist. Cornerpost display. Big square cab. Copy, copy, copy. Of course IH was always more interested in touting how many tractors they'd claimed to have built. If they'd have spent that promotional money on the tractors themselves, maybe they'd still be in business. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Deere has caught up to IH in production, and probably did so long ago. And of course Deere is still building tractors, and hasn't been bought out and merged. I need the numbers? I can get you pretty much any spec on any Deere tractor ever built. Shall we see who can bring more numbers to the argument?
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